Comments on: Have the Knockouts Become a PPV Afterthought? http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/ Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:21:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kaledrina http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26394 Kaledrina Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:29:52 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26394 i think a lot of it is overexposure. the kos ain't as wow as they once were, because we've seen it all before. hell, even the alissa/hamada match from impact wasn't that big a deal to me, because i'm used to watching "proper" women's wrestling. compare those two matches to any recent wwe diva match, and the knockouts look incredible. compare those two matches to those knockouts matches of a year and a half ago, and they look like divas. i think a lot of it is overexposure. the kos ain’t as wow as they once were, because we’ve seen it all before. hell, even the alissa/hamada match from impact wasn’t that big a deal to me, because i’m used to watching “proper” women’s wrestling.

compare those two matches to any recent wwe diva match, and the knockouts look incredible.
compare those two matches to those knockouts matches of a year and a half ago, and they look like divas.

]]> By: jamie1 http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26391 jamie1 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:36:19 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26391 Agree that both matches were disappointing. the KO title matches seemed to be a lead in to this week's Impact setting up kong vs Saeed and the Tara/Couture. Seems wrong way round as TV shows should lead into and culminate in a PPV. ODB still seems an interim champ just waiting to be beaten. The tag match was another disappointment, sadly the new version of TBP miss Angelina and are really struggling against Sarita/Taylor. Even still this match could have been given more time, possibly Madison may have been able to lift her team's game to prolong interest here. I'd like to see TNA give the knockouts a chance to out on a long match, Alissa vs Hamada could be the one regardless of whether there is a title or not at stake. Also agree with mikas that a Shimmer DVd presents real value. Agree that both matches were disappointing. the KO title matches seemed to be a lead in to this week’s Impact setting up kong vs Saeed and the Tara/Couture. Seems wrong way round as TV shows should lead into and culminate in a PPV. ODB still seems an interim champ just waiting to be beaten.

The tag match was another disappointment, sadly the new version of TBP miss Angelina and are really struggling against Sarita/Taylor. Even still this match could have been given more time, possibly Madison may have been able to lift her team’s game to prolong interest here.

I’d like to see TNA give the knockouts a chance to out on a long match, Alissa vs Hamada could be the one regardless of whether there is a title or not at stake. Also agree with mikas that a Shimmer DVd presents real value.

]]> By: faux.brit http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26375 faux.brit Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:05:33 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26375 When I first watched the KO division they were being booked properly and they were the most watched matches on Impact. Are the knockouts still the highest watched segment on Impact, or has that changed? When I first watched the KO division they were being booked properly and they were the most watched matches on Impact.
Are the knockouts still the highest watched segment on Impact, or has that changed?

]]> By: charlierogue26 http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26303 charlierogue26 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:41:13 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26303 to: adifferentsame I agree completely! I wish TNA would get a second show already, so that we could have two different shows, and therefore two different Knockout's divisions. or hell give the Knockouts their own show. They would benefit from it sooo much. They could get back to more storytelling and more eventful PPV matches...and hopefully better bookings. to: adifferentsame I agree completely! I wish TNA would get a second show already, so that we could have two different shows, and therefore two different Knockout’s divisions. or hell give the Knockouts their own show. They would benefit from it sooo much. They could get back to more storytelling and more eventful PPV matches…and hopefully better bookings.

]]> By: adifferentsame http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26301 adifferentsame Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:13:50 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26301 The Knockouts have been condensed somewhat, but I think that's the product of the division expanding. There's so many women on the roster it would be hard to loan the same development that girls like Gail Kim and Kong were getting last year. What TNA do very well is give their women a lot more to do and fans get to see a lot more. On WWE, I find that the women are merely bolted on accessories to the man's world of wrestling. Talent is so often buried (look at Gail Kim's lackluster return, Jillian Hall and Katie Lea Burchill). I would go so far as to say the Knockouts require more time, but I'm not sure I'd consider them an afterthought. Only one of two Knockouts are a mess in the ring, while the WWE are rife with horrible female performers. The Knockouts have been condensed somewhat, but I think that’s the product of the division expanding. There’s so many women on the roster it would be hard to loan the same development that girls like Gail Kim and Kong were getting last year. What TNA do very well is give their women a lot more to do and fans get to see a lot more. On WWE, I find that the women are merely bolted on accessories to the man’s world of wrestling. Talent is so often buried (look at Gail Kim’s lackluster return, Jillian Hall and Katie Lea Burchill). I would go so far as to say the Knockouts require more time, but I’m not sure I’d consider them an afterthought. Only one of two Knockouts are a mess in the ring, while the WWE are rife with horrible female performers.

]]> By: ScottL http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26287 ScottL Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:20:20 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26287 Right now, ODB is being booked as a mid-card champ. It reminds me of when Kurt Angle first got the world title in the WWE, but it was clear that The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H and Undertaker were still the biggest stars. Since getting the title in a joke match, ODB has defended her title by beating Kong with help from Tara; beating Tara with help from Kong; and beating Kong with an accidental assist from Raisha. And ODB has swallowed the 2 pins in tag matches. On the good side, she did kick out of Kong's finisher at BFG, which is strong booking. But it doesn't seem like they see her as a long-term champ. Right now, ODB is being booked as a mid-card champ. It reminds me of when Kurt Angle first got the world title in the WWE, but it was clear that The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H and Undertaker were still the biggest stars. Since getting the title in a joke match, ODB has defended her title by beating Kong with help from Tara; beating Tara with help from Kong; and beating Kong with an accidental assist from Raisha. And ODB has swallowed the 2 pins in tag matches. On the good side, she did kick out of Kong’s finisher at BFG, which is strong booking.
But it doesn’t seem like they see her as a long-term champ.

]]> By: Evan http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26282 Evan Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:11:30 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26282 I think that there's just too many Knockouts and all the time that should be spent on building up a decent feud is being used on building up new characters I think that there’s just too many Knockouts and all the time that should be spent on building up a decent feud is being used on building up new characters

]]> By: NT86 http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26280 NT86 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:45:00 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26280 I can see we're you're coming from. I still think TNA has a lot of faith in thhe Knockouts than WWE has in the Divas. But match lengths have ridiculously short of late. The 3-way was a good one IMO but that Tara/Couture thing just hurt the flow of it. They should have kept it separate from TNA. Also keep in mind the Scott D'Amore was absent and Ed Ferrara (the on who mocked Jim Ross in the dying days of WCW) was in charge of them. Also the tag title match was probably related to TNA's lack of faith in the new BP. Velvet just isn't capable of stepping up to the level of women like Taylor and Sarita. They are just lost without Angelina. If they can hire Sara Del Rey and pair her with Alissa Flash, or bring in the Canadian Ninjas from SHIMMER I am pretty sure TNA would have faith in letting them wrestle longer. I mean Velvet and Madison (though she is good in her own right) aren't on the level of Kong and Kim to work longer matches. One thing about most Knockouts matches, whether on TV or PPV, the fans generally respond well. In WWE it's so sad how the women are met with silence most of the time. I can see we’re you’re coming from. I still think TNA has a lot of faith in thhe Knockouts than WWE has in the Divas. But match lengths have ridiculously short of late. The 3-way was a good one IMO but that Tara/Couture thing just hurt the flow of it. They should have kept it separate from TNA.

Also keep in mind the Scott D’Amore was absent and Ed Ferrara (the on who mocked Jim Ross in the dying days of WCW) was in charge of them.

Also the tag title match was probably related to TNA’s lack of faith in the new BP. Velvet just isn’t capable of stepping up to the level of women like Taylor and Sarita. They are just lost without Angelina. If they can hire Sara Del Rey and pair her with Alissa Flash, or bring in the Canadian Ninjas from SHIMMER I am pretty sure TNA would have faith in letting them wrestle longer. I mean Velvet and Madison (though she is good in her own right) aren’t on the level of Kong and Kim to work longer matches.

One thing about most Knockouts matches, whether on TV or PPV, the fans generally respond well. In WWE it’s so sad how the women are met with silence most of the time.

]]> By: shannymac http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26279 shannymac Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:22:32 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26279 What TNA really needs to do is switch up the feuds and really give them some depth. Take Tara and Kong out of the title picture for a while and let them have a good feud together. Those two don't need the title to put on a PPV-worthy match that will go over with the fans. Take the title off of ODB. I love her, but she has been booked so poorly as champ. Set up an angle where she loses it to either Alissa Flash or Daffney. Both are good heels who could have a feud with ODB that would make her seem strong and the title seem important. And for god's sake, bring back Angelina! What TNA really needs to do is switch up the feuds and really give them some depth. Take Tara and Kong out of the title picture for a while and let them have a good feud together. Those two don’t need the title to put on a PPV-worthy match that will go over with the fans. Take the title off of ODB. I love her, but she has been booked so poorly as champ. Set up an angle where she loses it to either Alissa Flash or Daffney. Both are good heels who could have a feud with ODB that would make her seem strong and the title seem important.

And for god’s sake, bring back Angelina!

]]> By: Mikas http://www.diva-dirt.com/2009/10/19/have-the-knockouts-become-a-ppv-afterthought/comment-page-1/#comment-26277 Mikas Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:10:15 +0000 http://www.diva-dirt.com/?p=15009#comment-26277 "I had a feeling going into Bound for Glory that neither match would be able to top the Hamada-Flash match on Impact, it’s a sorry state of affairs when you’re giving away a match of that caliber on TV but not on something fans have paid $40 for." Well, the problem for the Knockouts (and Divas) is that they dont sell PPV-buys. The people who buy the PPV want to watch Angle-Morgan, Sting-Styles or the other big names. Knockouts are nice for the tv ratings (highest weekly segment), but people dont actually have to pay for that. Even if they would put a 15-minute Hamada-Alissa match on the PPV, that wouldn't increase their ppv-buys much, so they might as well put that match on tv where it at least raises the ratings. The people who like female wrestling are a minority, and most of them rather pay $45 for 3 SHIMMER dvds (9 hours of quality wrestling) than $40 for a ppv with max 2 knockout matches (both matches combined under 10 minutes). And i dont see a change any time soon, unless a program like Wrestlicious becomes a HUGE succes in the ratings, which would drasticly alter the perception of womens wrestling. But until then its just going to be 1-2 diva/knockout matches on the ppv's as "filler". “I had a feeling going into Bound for Glory that neither match would be able to top the Hamada-Flash match on Impact, it’s a sorry state of affairs when you’re giving away a match of that caliber on TV but not on something fans have paid $40 for.”

Well, the problem for the Knockouts (and Divas) is that they dont sell PPV-buys. The people who buy the PPV want to watch Angle-Morgan, Sting-Styles or the other big names. Knockouts are nice for the tv ratings (highest weekly segment), but people dont actually have to pay for that. Even if they would put a 15-minute Hamada-Alissa match on the PPV, that wouldn’t increase their ppv-buys much, so they might as well put that match on tv where it at least raises the ratings.

The people who like female wrestling are a minority, and most of them rather pay $45 for 3 SHIMMER dvds (9 hours of quality wrestling) than $40 for a ppv with max 2 knockout matches (both matches combined under 10 minutes). And i dont see a change any time soon, unless a program like Wrestlicious becomes a HUGE succes in the ratings, which would drasticly alter the perception of womens wrestling. But until then its just going to be 1-2 diva/knockout matches on the ppv’s as “filler”.

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