Here’s a random but interesting note on the Divas division versus the Knockouts division, courtesy of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter:
The big difference between the women’s matches in TNA and WWE is as much agenting as anything. In TNA, they usually would use the top agent they had to, move-for-move, structure the women’s matches. In WWE, the women are out there largely doing it themselves. That explains why Gail Kim looked so great in TNA and in WWE, she’s nowhere close to that level.
Coincidentally, Scott D’Amore who has been the Knockouts agent for the past several months once again left the company this week, reports PWInsider. D’Amore initially led the Knockouts division when it launched and is behind those epic Kong-Kim matches. D’Amore left in 2008 but returned to the post in the summer of last year.
Meanwhile, it is true that the Divas put their own matches together; a couple of months ago a source put it to me that former Women’s and Divas Champ Melina, is in particular one of the best at putting matches together.
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February 4, 2010 at 9:11 pm
That’s news to me. I really thought that all matches were put together move for move. maybe they should get this guy to WWE. Better yet they should try to talk Finley into heading the Women’s Divsion again.
February 4, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I really don’t get it, can someone break it down in a easier way
February 4, 2010 at 9:13 pm
but you know what? now i have new respect for the women’s division of the WWE
February 4, 2010 at 9:19 pm
that’s impressive that the divas have to put together their own matches, if only they could put together good matches more than bad matches
February 4, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Scott d’Amore was already known as the king of spotmonkeys, just look at his own promotion (BCW) and the wrestlers that work there, the biggest spotmonkeys in the indies came from there. So in a way it’s not that surprising, although i had no idea the Knockout matches were scripted from beginning to end. I also dont think it matters much, 2007/2008 gave us a lot of good knockout matches, then Scott left and suddenly the matches started to suck.
February 4, 2010 at 9:26 pm
oh I got it, so the WWE divas mostly put together their own matches. No wonder most of the matches are botch-filled and sloppy, the divas are just winging it-_-
If the diva matches were actually good, i would be very impressed but they’re not
February 4, 2010 at 9:29 pm
“I really thought that all matches were put together move for move.”
Well, think about it…do you really think it’s possible to put on a fast-paced match when all moves are improvised on the spot? It does explain why WWE diva matches have a MUCH slower pace. To put on a fast-paced match where the moves are improved you are going to need 2 VERY experienced wrestlers, that are already familiar with eachother’s style.
February 4, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I agree !
In my point of view, TNA matches are much interesting and ask real skills for women. Not a lot of Divas in the WWE are really able to wrestle, they just try to make the show because they’re beautiful, sexy, etc.
But in WWE, now i like the way Michelle, Mickie, Natalya, Beth and Katie Lea wrestle, i think they’re the only ones interesting to watch.
February 4, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I never knew this.For some reason i always assumed it was the other way round. I thought the divas matches where put together by people who didnt really care and the knockouts made there matches themselves.
I definitely have more respect for the wwe divas now knowing this.
It also now makes sence why kelly kelly does the same things over and over again.
February 4, 2010 at 9:36 pm
“Not a lot of Divas in the WWE are really able to wrestle, they just try to make the show because they’re beautiful, sexy, etc.”
I don’t think you understand the topic. The point is, that the Diva matches aren’t scripted from beginning to end, and the Knockout matches are. So basicly the Divas are wrestling, and the Knockouts are just performing a sequence of moves from the “script”.
February 4, 2010 at 9:39 pm
okay, so the next time there’s a ten diva tag and only three divas are tagged in we get to blame the women themselves, not wwe management, right?
February 4, 2010 at 9:45 pm
I recall reading about how Cornette, when he was in TNA, would help the ladies out before the matches and especially the PPVs for years. Kudos to them to making them better.
The WWE needs to step their game up because when you watch the show or PPV and half the fans leave to go to the rest room, that’s just sad. It also explains how and why things aren’t so fluid like they are in TNA.
And I really hope someone else steps into D’Amore’s shoes for the Knockouts.
February 4, 2010 at 9:49 pm
“so the next time there’s a ten diva tag and only three divas are tagged in we get to blame the women themselves”
They were probably informed before the match that only 3 of them (and which of them) are going to wrestle in the match. But when a diva performs the same moves in every match (like Kelly Kelly), then we definately get to blame the diva for it instead of management.
February 4, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Kelly should think about new moves. She must realize that Hurracanrana, Swinging Headscissor, Handspring Elbow & the K2 are nice to look but that’s it. Her problem is that she is not that strong she has to remain in her “high-flying” thing. The other divas might give her some proposals.
February 4, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Maybe their matches aren’t that good because they only get 3 mins to have one.
February 4, 2010 at 10:07 pm
I agree with Karl in that I would have though it was the other way round, yet with more practice, the Divas will make matches work. Just look at the McCool/Melina fued, that had some amazing matches, and how about Melina and Beth’s I Quit Match? That was brilliant. And even with help, it’s not like the Knockout’s matches are entertaining, look at them all recently, absolute rubbish.
February 4, 2010 at 10:19 pm
If anything, it should be the other way round. Most divas are trained in the company and don’t have the experience of other promotions. Look at Shimmer! They don’t have agents but the matches are top notch because they know how to wrestle and not work a crowd!
February 4, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Every match has an agent so this is simply not true.
Maybe someone should tell Mickie to do something other than neckbreaker, lou thez press, ddt, mickarana every match.
February 4, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Melina mentions a lot in her interviews that she’s always glad with what she can think up in a match and they usually come out great! Bret Hart’s said it too. Of course she’s the best! Score for Melina!
February 4, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Well of course Melina’s one of the best,she’s M-E-L-I-N-A.
I actually thought it was that an agent was with them and helped them produce the match move-for-move with input from the veteran wrestlers and some from the rookies.
I don’t know what you people are reading,but they don’t “wing” their matches,they just produce them on their own.
February 4, 2010 at 10:52 pm
If the knockouts had the freedom the divas do, they would still have great matches. The divas have freedom and everything is botched and sloppy
February 4, 2010 at 10:58 pm
RKOyou I know it’s none of my business but if you don’t like to watch them, just stop watching instead of bitching.
February 4, 2010 at 11:57 pm
Okay so the Knockout matches are planned and worked out in advance … it still takes talent in the ring to do what they do. You seen one Divas match, you have seen them all. Maybe if the Divas matches were planned out and the Divas knew more then the three or four basic moves, then their matches wouldn’t be so bad.
February 5, 2010 at 12:02 am
Well that makes sense…..I guess…But yeah I love Mickie James to death but if she does put her matches together i wish she would throw in some new moves like….a powerbomb…Tigerbomb…backbreak som unique stuff….
Armando-If ur reading this that explains alot about maryse LOL JK
February 5, 2010 at 12:21 am
Wow, i have a whole new respect for the divas
February 5, 2010 at 12:24 am
Goodnightddtmnm- LOL haha! Stop making fun of Maryse
! I’m banned from Diva-Dirt so when I’m at home I can’t view the site 
! Maryse never botches! jks
I never knew this about the Divas. I think it’s great that they get to put their matches together, but I agree with most people here, if they work with someone who they are comfortable in the ring, the matches would come out better. I think it’s great that wwe lets them put their match together instead of having them to do scripted moves and make it seem like they are nothing but robots!
February 5, 2010 at 12:54 am
dunk20 just leave RKOyou alone, if YOU dont like him just ignore him, you think he is bitching and moaning what the hell do you think you’re doing??? You are doing the same thing! how hard is it to ignore him. I’m tired of people getting bashed on here just for stating their opinions. Its sooo annoying! >:|
February 5, 2010 at 1:03 am
Weirddork, the amusing part of your comment is that you’re doing the exact same thing, bitching and moaning in defense of someone you don’t even know, or it can be the same person with different accounts but who cares?
Back on topic, I don’t really believe they plan all the match by themselves…Would they really like to end all matches with rollups?
February 5, 2010 at 1:27 am
Of course they are planned by an agent. Every match might have some input by the wrestlers in it but everything in WWE is scripted to the second.
One thing that bothers me on this site is the constant putting over of Mickie and Melina as great workers. They really arent. Beth, Natalya, Katie are head and shoulders better. Almost every time Mickie and Melina are counted on to raise the bar for womens wrestling and really justify their pushes its almost always a letdown. Such as Melinas string of sloppy matches against Jillian when they put the belt on her again after she had just had a long push. Or Mickies infamous match with Gail and so on.
February 5, 2010 at 1:43 am
“Such as Melinas string of sloppy matches against Jillian when they put the belt on her again after she had just had a long push. Or Mickies infamous match with Gail and so on.”
Mickie & Melina haters always use those 2 matches as example, but can you name other TERRIBLE matches they had in the many years they have been wrestling? Because 1 bad match in so many years is a very good score. Even Bryan Danielson has had bad matches in his career (rarely, but it has happened).
February 5, 2010 at 2:23 am
@ Nachos with Melina & Mickie…Yeah one bad match…sets them as let downs. They werent a let down at Backlash 07. The simple fact is WWE must count on them or feel that they are the better to represent the WWE Divas as the Top face , just like how Beth Phoenix cleary someone or Vince see’s Beth’s Character as a great asset to the womens divison for all we know Beth could have been turned into a jobber like Katie & Jillian are.
srry to get off topic
February 5, 2010 at 3:58 am
Doesn’t make any difference to me. If the moves are scripted or not, the WAY they are performed is what I think about. If they’re in charge of planning their matches then they’re also responsible for when they stink. It makes sense to me now b/c when I’ve watched some Knockouts matches it just seemed choreographed more so than Divas matches. At the same time, even with doing it themselves, some Divas hit the same moves 1-2-3 in each match as though they were planned. It has the result of being very boring to me. I’m not hating; just stating the way I see things.
February 5, 2010 at 4:14 am
Wow. I thought that both promotions script their matches from top to finish. But that said, it doesn’t change the fact that talent is a necessity in pulling off a great match. If anything, this doesn’t even besmirch my view of the Knockouts (before Hulk Hogan and Bischoff came) and it merely makes me admire the Divas more.
Also, the bit about Melina does say a lot. I’ve always seen Melina as someone who actually wants to wrestle. I sometimes think that she would be much better in TNA than in the WWE. Ergo, she really tries. That just goes to show how a woman with passion can outshine and be more of an asset than those who are only taking pro-wrestling as some sort of a career launch ala reality TV.
February 5, 2010 at 4:21 am
dunk20- I love the WWE divas but i’m not going to lie and say their matches are good because they’re not. once in a while we get a good match but majority are just awiful
and I don’t have 2 accounts, this is my only one and everyone can confirm that. I don’t need another account to fight my battles, i can do that myself
February 5, 2010 at 5:23 am
The knockouts havent lost any of my respect at all, in retrospect I couldnt give a rats ass who puts the match together and whether its scripted or not. At the end of the day id rather sit there for 20 mins and watch Kong and Gail tear the house down as opposed to Kelly trying her best to put on a wrestling clinic with Maryse. Its a no brainer, but it really speaks volumes about why there are so many botches in diva’s matches etc. I dont agree with the comment about Gail as her matches are still amongst the best in the WWE, she really pushes herself and takes some pretty decent bumps etc.
February 5, 2010 at 10:35 am
maybe they need someone to show them what to do in the ring…
February 5, 2010 at 12:22 pm
The Divas script their own matches themselves? Wow, color me impressed. It’s really great to know Melina’s one of the best at putting together matches, too… I think some of the Divas could really learn a lot from her. Her matches are solid if under the right circumstances, and it’s still sad to think WWE doesn’t realize her contributions enough to actually reward her for it somehow… like give her longer ring time, for example.
February 5, 2010 at 2:39 pm
I didn’t read the comments, but if it is the Divas who put their own matches together, that explains a lot of things, even botches.They probably try to give both competitors a opportunity to shine, yet I believe they probably can’t see which moves will or will not work well in a match. Ex. Eve doing a dropkick on someone like Melina, who’s experienced is way different that giving a dropkick to Maria or Rosa Mendes.
That explains why the knockout matches used to be so much better. They had someone who knew them all to well and had the knowledge to know what would be right used or not.
February 5, 2010 at 2:57 pm
RKOYou.
Shut up and stop bitching about the Divas. You dont know if the Knockouts would make a great match with the same freedom. Trust me if the divas matches would be planned like the knockout matches they would have as great matches as the knockokuts.
February 5, 2010 at 4:46 pm
amare136- Yes I do know smart one that the Knockouts would have a great match with the same freedom. Most of the knockouts(except Velvet, Lacey, angelina, Tara, and ODB) come from shimmer and shimmer is 100% freedom so their you go. Tara was from WWE so she’s had that freedom also
February 5, 2010 at 8:40 pm
lawl they are mostly using those knockouts which you named ^^