TNA Knockout Tara, real name Lisa Marie Varon, has written yet another interesting blog, this time commenting on recent rumors regarding the Knockouts’ pay.
Internet rumors recently circulated that there are discrepancies in pay amongst the Knockouts with two women signed to $100,000+ annual contracts, while other Knockouts received significantly less.
Tara says this is not true. She writes:
And with regards to what is said in the wrestling gossip sites, I’m not going to bash them. Sometimes they are accurate, and I wonder how that info got out. But sometimes, and on stuff I know for certain, it can be inaccurate. Again, I don’t know how people get their information. But a perfect example is a couple days ago there was someone talking about the pay for the Knockouts. I know for certain that there were multiple inaccuracies in that article. Did someone plant the story to cause tension in our locker room, which is especially stress-free these days? Or did someone just mistakenly get some information wrong? Who knows, but that’s my “don’t believe everything you read” speech. If you want to know ask me. I respond to as much as I can on Twitter. What’s my favorite color? Red. How old is my dog Sophie? Three. How much do I get paid as a Knockout? None of your damn business ; )
Tara also comments on Matt Hardy’s recent woes, including being arrested for driving while impaired, and an article written by an ESPN writer about Ric Flair which details the debt he has amassed over the years.
The veteran Knockout, who has worked with both Hardy and Flair for a number of years in WWE and TNA, says:
A lot of people have asked me about Matt Hardy. Was he really fired? Is his odd behavior for real? I don’t have an inside scoop. But what I can tell you from a dozen years in the wrestling business is that I never know what is real and what is part of a storyline. Matt always set a new standard as a wrestler, and was a great co-worker and friend. Could this be a storyline? Yes. Could this also be someone who has given 100% to his fans for years and years, and is emotionally drained and just needs some personal time to get his head straight and recharge his batteries? Absolutely. If it is the latter, I know he would be surrounded by friends and family, and we’d see him back somewhere soon, better than ever.
I also saw a lot of comments on the article about Ric Flair. Again, I don’t know how much of that is accurate. I do think that there are a lot of people that if you take their life, and put it under a microscope, and then list all the mistakes that they have made, it would be unflattering. By the same token, and especially with Ric Flair, if you would have listed all the nice things he did, and all the people he helped, and all the young people he guided in this business, and the wrestlers that he sacrificed for so that they could look that much better, you would have had an article ten times as long. The Ric Flair that I have known and worked with in both WWE and TNA/Impact has always been a gentleman and a locker room leader. Let he who is without sin…
Tara also notes that one of her friends at TNA who is not a wrestler recently lost her job. She writes:
And finally, my friend Aleta lost her job at TNA/Impact this past week. One of the executives actually took me aside and told me about it because they knew that I’d be upset. I was upset. I have also been in this industry long enough to see many of my friends come and go. Most of them I keep in touch with. Aleta is good people, and will definitely fall into that category. That’s why my first piece of advice for anyone who asks me how to get into this business is to always have something to fall back on when you’re done. I miss you already, Aleta.
You can read Tara’s full blog, which is always a good read, here.
Thoughts: I don’t really want to speculate on the pay debate, but I think Tara/Lisa’s comments are pretty interesting. I should hope all of the Knockouts, as well as the male wrestlers, are making substantially more than the rumored figures.
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66 Comments
I don’t even think Mickie made $100,000 a year in WWE. I dunno how much WWE wrestlers get paid each year but Mickie got paid $72,000 in 2006.
art Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
first year in wwe is low pay but mickie got somewhere over 200,000 because in taras & torries last years they were making 250,000 or close to that it was reported..
samtherofl Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Maria picked up $2,000,000 from WWE, Celebrity Apprentices and etc in 2009.
davepower Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Yeah right.
Source on that.
Piggie James Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Find a source for any Diva/Knockout salary for that matter. Virtually no one knows what they were paid but the talent themselves.
@ElectricMVx: That’s the infamous ‘reported salaries’ list that was apparently just made by someone who estimated all the talent’s salaries and tried to pass it off as the real thing.
It was a rumor that Mickie James and Christy Hemme have more paychecks than other knockouts! I read that Velvet Sky earn 600$ for a match :)
JillianHallTNA Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Mickie and Hemme don’t get 100 000$ for a match. It was a rumor that they earn more than 100 000$ in a year! While other earn like 70 000 dollars for a year!
Interestingly Tara’s pay wasnt mentioned in the article.
Also obviously she would never say that it was true.
ItsRayVolution Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Following Tara, she’s perhaps one of the many genuine women in the business like Molly Holly. I don’t know why it would be “obvious” if she herself says it isn’t true unless you are calling her a liar
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Why would she say it was true? What is the upside of that? I am not calling here a LIAR she is merely being diplomatic.
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
first of all, talking about peoples paychecks is highly rude and disrespectful. What they make is personal, and she’s not going to tell you as if you have any business in the matter at all
she brought it up because it’s not true. The knockout low pay is highly overexaggerated these days. TNA has raised the pay since the gail/kong days, and the girls do make more now
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
You didnt answer my question. What is there to gained by Tara if she says that they are completely correct (if they are)?
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
nothing, she’ll get in trouble though
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Exactly.
Also it fits in with the “dont believe the dirtsheets, brother” mindsets of wrestlers.
Piggie James Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
What’s the upside of her saying that she was upset by her co-worker losing her job at TNA? Nothing really. Perhaps if we were being cynical it would make her earlier denials of the salary rumours more genuine?
At any rate though, she outs the company for firing someone who she considered a good person, which won’t gain her anything. And I don’t see how you’re not calling her a liar (in as many words)? Your point really only holds if she is indeed lying, because if she isn’t, then she’s simply denying rumours that aren’t true, taking up her role as a veteran, and standing up for the rest of her co-workers (when no one else is prepared to).
These rumours have been swirling around for ages. Isn’t she allowed to respond to them for once if they’re legitimately untrue and are just going to keep popping up until someone denies them?
Piggie James Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
The original article in Power Slam (if that’s what you’re referring to) said that Tara was among the Knockouts receiving $600 or less per appearance. I’m sure you wouldn’t be naive enough to believe that, just because someone wrote it as a fact that they really have little to no idea about.
The source on the knockouts pay was that magazine in the UK, which is generally regarded as very reliable. Naturally everyone can be fed incorrect info or make mistakes, but its not a ‘gossip site’.
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Yep Powerslam, I know. The magazine rarely breaks news but they do it is extremely correct as they are a magazine.
Piggie James Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Like I said in my comment towards the end of this page. Power Slam used to have a good reputation back in the 90′s and early 00′s, but is now in no way as reliable as the two of you purport it to be.
And being a magazine doesn’t mean they have to be ‘extremely correct’. The UK is a haven for trashy mags that are gossip filled, so there isn’t much sense in making that connection.
Journalism in general has been going downhill for ages. Mainstream newspapers/news channels in general lack accountability and aren’t all that trustworthy anymore.
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
and how would anyone in the UK know what the knockouts make??
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
How wouldnt they?
What bizarre question. They have phones and email over there you know.
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
all the article said was that the highest paid knockouts are mickie and christy, while the rest make 600 or less
tara, sarita, and velvet all make 600 per appearace. Angelina makes 500, and madison makes 400. The rest like rosita and tessmacher make less
the knockouts make fine money, but certain people inside the business love making TNA look bad
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Source on that the knockouts make fine money?
TNA does a decent enough job by itself in making it look bad. Look at the Daffney situation for example.
Poor TNA……
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
tara and velvet both requested raises and they were granted. TNA had been trying to sign sarita for years, and were willing to do anything to sign her to the knockouts division.
Angelina and madison have stated they make good money, but no report has said they make 600, so it’s a little below that due to the stardom these have reached in TNA
maybe if you’ve actually folllowed the knockouts over the years, you would know where they stand, instead of reading on article that only talks about 2 girls on the roster
and don’t talk about daffney, the whole thing had to do with health insurance, which neither TNA or WWE cover
Mikas Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
When you are in the business for 18 years and do regular interviews with wrestlers, and help companies promote themselves through your magazine you gradually buildup a network of contacts.
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Not like there isnt a bunch of British wrestlers on the TNA roster either.
Divadirt’s Melanie is in the UK and she breaks news.
charmed_diva Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
WWE does cover the health of their superstars, and divas. I’ve heard plenty of WWE superstars say they are well taken care of. TNA, on the other hand doesn’t even pay travel expenses for their stars….you would think they would offer health insurance considering the stuff they have the knockouts/wrestlers do…or maybe they do pay them enough to pay the bills, and cover their own medical cost. We’ll never know unless we get hired by TNA.
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
WWE no longer covers health insurance, they stopped doing that last year. look it up on google if you don’t believe me
and TNA does pay for travel, but they don’t pay for hotel or gas
JaiiO Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 1:49 am
google the place with all of the answers…
This truly bothers me -.- .Who cares how much tara or the other KO’s make ?! If shes happy doing what she loves which is WRESTLING .I think payment shouldnt be any of our bussiness ,if shes unhappy with it ,well I guess SHE will solve that problem .
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Or sell sunglasses in the mall
EveLover Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
LMFAO ! That was funny lol
Marshy Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 3:35 am
All of them are making money that anyone who works minimum wage dreams of and this is before taxes gets taken out.
I love tara. shes such a sweet person!! and does it matter how much they get paid? its their life and i belive that if the work that hard and still loving the buisness . they get enough money ;)
I applaud Tara for the things she said in her blog and not pandoring to the internet gossip that some fans like to use to get their thrills & stir up trouble with the knockouts. Like she said so pergectly what she makes a year is none of your Damn business and what any of the wrestlers make is None of the fans Damn business. What a oerson makes is their business not anyone elses. well I feel like Matt does need help dealing with his issues. Fans need to remember wrestlers have lives outside of wrestling that they should respect & stay out of.
davepower Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Oh my god.
Firstly it isnt “internet gossip” and secondly if there is majority inequalities in pay it is newsworthy & should be brought to public attention.
the site is very reliable i think tara doing the correct thing and denie any truth to the story thats called keeping yourself employed
Jhonmarco Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Pretty much.
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
look, if the story was true, tara would never even respond to it. She responded to it because it’s not true
common sense always escapes wrestling fans, because they “think” they know everything, when they clearly don’t
Jhonmarco Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Coming from you? One of the people on DD who seems to know everything? Ha, ;)
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
@Jhonmarco I didn’t say I know everything, but I do have an open mind and i know when certain fans take things to far
obviously the article wasn’t lying about mickie and christy being the highest paid, but where I’m coming from is people thinking all the knockouts get paid crap, which is not the truth. Only women like rostia and tessmacher get paid low because they are new and green
Mikas Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Actually, she didnt say the article wasnt true, she just said there are some “inaccuracies”. With other words, if she herself makes more than $600 (which i assume she does), that is already 1 thing wrong. And maybe the lower paid wrestlers (Cookie) made less than $300, that could be another inaccuracy. If the entire article was wrong on all fronts i’m sure she and others would’ve responded to it already saying it was a bullshit article.
Piggie James Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Maybe there were a few things that were true about the article (like Mickie James earning a 6 figure salary that most people expected anyway) so she couldn’t say the entire article was bullshit. Fact is, if there were ‘multiple inaccuracies’ as she puts it, how can we trust the journalistic integrity of whoever wrote it?
One or two mistakes.. that might be passable in a minor news story that no one will care about, but if someone is going to publish a ‘report’ with far reaching consequences for the livelihoods of other people’s careers, then they better make damn sure that the information they’re ‘reporting’ is correct.
Eh, really touchy subject. I really wouldn’t expect Tara to out-right bash tna for their payments toward their women, but didn’t she originally leave due to being paid too little? As well as Kong and Gail? People will sometiems never admit when tna is wrong, but oh well ;)
Meh. Something fishy here. noone else has denied it. I really doubt Madison, Rosita or Angelina make alot.
WWFoverWWE Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
rosita does not make a lot. Angelina and madison don’t make 600, but they do make from the 400-500 range, which is great
Piggie James Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
@samtherofl: Many wrestlers rarely comment on dirtsheets/rumours unless they really have to. A rumour like this only needed one person to comment about it (if any at all). Tara could have chosen to ignore it if she wanted to, but she obviously felt the need to put the rumour to rest, since I imagine it must be insanely irritating that people on the internet speculate about how much you’re earning and getting it wrong!
As she said, it’s really no one’s business what someone else is earning. It’s likely she doesn’t know what every other Knockout is earning as well, since this is not information wrestlers are going to want divulged. Just like in any other job, it’s very unprofessional to talk about what you’re earning in front of your co-workers. This is why people who publish false stories like this, are clearly negligent in their conduct, because like Tara says, it’s like all they want to do is create tension in the locker room.
@WWFoverWWE: You’ve been posting your own set of Knockout salary figures throughout this page while denying the alleged ones in the article. Just wondering why you think yours are any more valid?
what the big deal Mickie and Christy gets it a year while other per appearance which means at the end of the year their money is almost the same.
BillyGP Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
also isn’t there a bounse for being a champion and big PPV like Bound For Glory?
BillyGP Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
*typo Bonus
LoL Tara How much do I get paid as a Knockout? None of your damn business ; )
Love Victoria/Tara/Lisa
I’ve always wanted to know how much KO’s & Divas get paid idk why I just found it interesting, I do believe that there will be some KO’s paid more than others. But I don’t see how people are linking different amounts of money to different knockouts per match like its a fact……i really dont know how to end this comment hmmm
This is mainly for @Mikas/davepower, but also everyone else who seems to think the original article was legitimate. I posted this on two other sites in response to people blindly following everything they read (when the article first came out). Out of all the Knockouts, Tara was the one most likely to respond to the rumours, and she should be commended for standing up to the internet media (and making herself a target to them).
Anyway what I said, might be a little dated by now, but feel free to rebut/correct/discuss my points. If you don’t want to read it all (because it’s a lot) then just skip ahead to the TL;DR. I think I pretty much cover most of the points that Mikas/davepower were making.
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Power Slam was a top UK wrestling magazine in the 90′s, but has deteriorated ever since to the point where it has little credibility and the majority of its content is anti-wrestling in general. The quality of the magazine has grown so poor that in a recent issue it claimed that Roddy Piper is older than Hulk Hogan (when it takes about 10 seconds in Google to find that the reverse is true).
The editor Findlay Martin is a bitter smark who nowadays devotes most of his magazine to slagging off against Ric Flair, John Cena, and any other wrestler he hates. He even criticized the 2010 Beer Money vs MCMG Best of 5 series as ruining their feud, and in general, rarely writes anything positive about wrestling. If you want to see just how bitter he is check out his Twitter (@PowerSlamMag).
His main sources are the dirtsheets and IWC rumors, and he has very little insider information outside of the UK. Essentially his magazine is now nothing better than any old copy & paste site on the internet, and is mainly only rumors/gossip as opposed to actual news.
Rumors about the Knockouts pay conditions have been running around the internet for ages but there is still yet to be any source other than a few workers stating that they left the company due to pay issues (but not actually giving any figures). WWE doesn’t release their talent contract information and they’re a public company, so how would anyone have any idea what TNA (a private company) pay conditions are without it coming from the actual talent themselves? The contract conditions would be confidential between the performer and the company, no one else would know.
There’s a skew of ‘claims’ in this report, which are unsurprisingly from The Honky Tonk man, one of the most unreliable sources of information ever, and is a self-acknowledged WWE ‘mark’ and TNA hater. Do note that he has NEVER actually worked for TNA in his life. If anything the $175,000 is OVER three years, ie. about $60,000 annually (not that his figure is even correct).
The $300 – $600 per appearance figure for the Knockouts has been going around for years, has never been proven by anyone, and even if it was true perhaps 3 years ago, why would people expect the figure to be exactly the same now? Power Slam magazine just took this rumors and ran with it. Mainstream wrestling companies have very rarely ever confirmed or denied internet rumors, so it’s very easy for publications to state rumors as facts with no repercussions.
A ‘report’ like this is very easy to write, and anyone in the IWC could write it if they wanted to. It’s fairly simple: find or create a rumor that many of the IWC (or in this case ‘insider magazine’) would find plausible, and then print it as fact. Has Power Slam cited any sources for their claims? No. Has Power Slam written anything new that wasn’t already a widely circulated internet rumor? No. Are some of the ‘details’ of Power Slam’s report not already obvious information? No. Everyone knows that Mickie James would almost be surely on a $100,000+ contract. But the fact that the report can’t actually back this up by reporting if Hemme is earning more just shows how little to no information they actually have.
Actually to correct the above paragraph, Power Slam actually has made some novel claims of their own. There are no notable rumors around about any of the individual Knockout salaries, besides for Sarita, where the ‘rumor’ was she was receiving $1000 per appearance (suppose Power Slam didn’t read that one), yet Power Slam is able to allege that all of them are receiving less than $600. Given that Traci, Jackie and ODB have only joined the company again very recently, there is virtually no chance of anyone outside knowing what their contract details are, much less a fading magazine operated in the UK. How exactly would this magazine know any more than Meltzer (who himself publishes a lot rumors that turn out to be false).
As said before, it’s surprising that so many people are taking this report as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, let alone dirtsheets/IWC speculation/rumors in general. Whatever happened to TNA getting rid of the X-Division? Or Janice Carter taking over from Dixie because she had to go into ‘hiding’? Or that tickets were selling poorly for the Huntsville, Alabama at the 400 – 800 range (while Ticketmaster have stated that is had sold over 2000 with only a phone call required). Or that TNA was going to die? I could list about 100 other stupid rumors this year reported all over the place that turned out to be false (but anyone could do this themselves if they scrolled through ‘news’ archives).
It’s not just TNA being persecuted against. WWE have received similar treatment (but to a lesser extent) from false rumors and the like. It hurts the entire wrestling industry when false rumors and ‘reports’ are published, and the sooner people question the integrity of the articles written and the people writing them, the sooner that there will actually be some mandate for ‘reporters’ to actually have some level of journalistic integrity. If you don’t question anything, and everything you read, then you’re just being manipulated with ease by whoever wrote it. Learn to think for yourself, and become the 10% of the IWC who shouldn’t feel ashamed of themselves.
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TL;DR: The validity of the report should be questioned rather than blindly accepted. The state of wrestling journalism and the IWC in general is a joke. Findlay Martin’s Power Slam magazine used to be popular in the UK in the 90′s, but has deteriorated to the point where it has little credibility, and its editor is nothing more than a bitter smark. Rumors about the Knockouts pay have been circulated around the internet for years, and have never been proven by anyone. Salaries are confidential information between the company and performer, even in WWE which is a public company. The Honky Tonk Man is not a credible source of information on anything.
The ‘report’ seems to just be a compilation of the rumors that were already around, and makes few novel claims. The novel claims that it does make are completely questionable, since not even Meltzer is hazarding guesses at Traci, Jackie, & ODB’s salary, since there’s no chance of this information leaking out this quickly except directly from the talent and company themselves. Mickie James and Christy Hemme were already ‘rumored’ to be on 6 figure salaries, but this supposed ‘report’ can’t actually differentiate whose is higher. Anyone in the IWC can write ‘reports’ based on dirtsheets and internet rumors, as well as what might be plausible enough for gullible people to believe.
In general, the state of wrestling journalism is terrible, and ‘journalists’ are able to write whatever they like with no repercussions. Rumors reported as truth have been proven wrong, time and time and time again, yet people in the IWC continue to treat everything from dirtsheets as gospel. Even WWE is a victim to false rumors and poor journalism, which do nothing to help the industry in general. Anyone with common sense can easily disprove internet rumors with a small amount of factual research of their own, so people just need to learn how to think for themselves. Otherwise Meltzer and co. will simply continue to throw their ‘journalism’ down our throats for the IWC to believe.
davepower Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 12:02 am
I enjoy the bit were you lumped all news sources together for some bizarre reason. Like they all report the same stories. Sorry but you lost all credibility there.
There almost too much idiocy in your post to comment on. Especially the bizarre tangent on TNA.
This wasnt worth reading at all although I agree about Powerslam for the most part.
Also Dave Meltzer is one of very best sports journalists in America. Totally random you brought him up here.
davepower Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 12:06 am
The premise that I am blindly believing the story is a ridiculous strawman please try harder.
Also this by the numbers rant about the IWC treating everything the dirtsheets as gospel.
*Yawn*
Piggie James Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 3:48 pm
The majority of ‘news sources’ do report the same stories and just copy off each others. Some have more original stories of their own (the dirtsheets), while others barely have any (copy and paste sites), but most of these sites share enough similarities to ‘lump them together’ as being generally unreliable journalism. I never knew ‘journalism’ ever constituted of rumours over facts.
There are quite a few good sites/news sources out there though. Diva-Dirt is obviously pretty good with at least upholding some sort of standard, and not just posting every single rumour they come across. Of course they have plenty of exclusives too that are usually true (although Britani Knight to WWE still remains unverified). So no, I don’t consider every news source to be the same, just the majority of them (which also happen to have to most traffic).
The ‘TNA tangent’ I can see looks out of place. I originally posted this at two TNA news sites where it would make more sense. The point is still true though that some of the most widely circulated rumours about TNA this year (which were originally started by the main news sources and then proliferated through the IWC) have all turned out to be false. Since the ‘TNA Knockouts salary’ rumour seems to have actually been started in the IWC and picked up by Power Slam (ie. the other way round), the point is just highlighting that there simply isn’t any factual basis for the report.
Most of my comment was criticizing Power Slam and it’s report, but I’ll agree that I didn’t need to include a rant against the IWC/wrestling journalism to prove my original points. That’s just my view, and Meltzer probably deserves a little more credibility than I gave him, not to mention he doesn’t have anything to do with the report. You obviously have a high opinion of Meltzer, but clearly he has got plenty wrong in the past from what would have to be unreliable ‘insider sources’, so he isn’t flawless. At the end of the day, he’s running a business, and surely doing very well for himself.
Seemingly you agree mostly about Power Slam and their ‘Knockouts report’ as being unreliable, but your comments earlier here didn’t give this impression. You and Mikas seemed to be supporting the report as being (at the very least) somewhat credible, and suggesting that Tara couldn’t be taken at face value. At the end of the day, one of them has to be lying, and I’m not completely sure who you believe based on your comments. Personally, I would take the word of an employee whose name has a very good reputation, over a report with little to no factual evidence.
And unless you never visit various other discussion areas, you’ll surely know that most of the IWC hang on Meltzer’s every word and believe every rumour that comes out from any source, no matter how implausible it sounds. Believe me or not, but I wouldn’t actually consider you one of those people (at least I hope so). And technically I don’t really mean ‘most’ in number, but ‘most’ in volume, because it’s really only the people who believe the rumours that repeat them all the time.
davepower Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 6:27 am
Sorry but your post is so full of generalisations and lacks any kind of sophistication it is hard to response to.
Obviously you havent subscribed to the main subscription sites therefore your opinion lacks any credibility to me a person who does. You seemed to have a base level of product knowledge and get your news from “TNA sites” whatever they are.
Again with the gospel strawman applying it to me and other people. Mega yawn. Between us both yup you are the only independent thinker. Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better,
You keep contradicting yourself on whether you think I fully believe either party. Instead of just asking me although I have made it clear.
Piggie James Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:40 am
1. Most of the IWC (especially the ‘vocal’ component) don’t subscribe to any ‘main subscription sites’. You would be an exception. Not really sure why you’re even here then because clearly no one on this site is going to have any credibility over someone like you.
2. You didn’t read what I said correctly. I said I didn’t consider you among the ‘generalised’ IWC who believe everything they read (or at least I hoped so). But if you consider yourself one of that group (since you’re always so defensive about Meltzer), then I won’t argue.
3. Personally I don’t feel any ‘news’ is worth paying for, especially when the free content that those sources provide is already unreliable.
4. Rather than generalise what I say as being full of generalisations, it would be nice if you actually put forward some content of your own that is actually relevant to whether the report or Tara is true or not. You claim that you’ve been clear about your opinion, but maybe you’re not aware that you are actually very cryptic, and your comments here are no exception.
5. Yes, what I said was contradictory because it was highlighting your own contradictions. That’s an obvious logical consequence that isn’t relevant. If you had made yourself clear in the first place, then I wouldn’t need to ask you. At this stage though, I don’t really care what your opinion is on the matter, because it’s rare that I ever see you voice anything novel.
davepower Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Pram thrown out of the pram there. I am so hurt.
Pretty rich claiming that I dont voice anything novel when you are just rehashing the standard unsophisticated Wrestling fan talking points about the dirtsheetz.
Sorry but youve no credibility on this issue as you don’t seem have subscribed to any of the main sites or newsletters or have an understanding what they offer.
I made my position clear on this. It isnt a matter of simply true or false.
Also:
“Most of the IWC”
Did you take a poll? The term IWC went out 15 years ago btw.
Piggie James Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 7:54 am
It just appears that I’ve struck a nerve with you over the fact you actually pay money for ‘insider’ news from people like Meltzer, so your elitist attitude on this site actually makes a lot of sense now. You’re trying to get your money to stretch as far as possible, and given that you’ve invested money in dirtsheets, I can’t blame you for trying to get your dollar’s worth.
Your position isn’t clear at all. All you do is make vague comments that aren’t totally relevant. About all you’ve said is that you agree with me on the most part about Power Slam (while seemingly defending them before). As they’re really the only entity relevant to this story (besides for Tara), then I’ll just have to assume you’re more or less in agreement with me about their report, everything else aside.
davepower Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 4:30 pm
You havent stuck a nerve at all it is an open and shut discussion with one person with product knowledge (me) and another who has none (me). I dont see what is elitist in paying a few dollars or euros a month either. Sorry but you come across with a massive chip on your shoulder/bizarre inferiority complex.
On your second point it seems you didnt read my last point at all. Yet again it isnt a true or false situation.
Piggie James Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 5:14 pm
You just proved to be elitist because as you just said, no one can win an argument with you unless they pay money to read dirtsheets as well (or have the equivalent amount of ‘product knowledge’ whatever that is).
You rarely exhibit any ‘product knowledge’ here even if you may have it, and ‘product knowledge’ means very little anyway in an argument about whether a magazine report is correct or not. We both can agree that it isn’t correct (to differing extents), so I have no idea what you’re actually arguing with me about. I have my own opinion on dirtsheets, and you have yours. They have no bearing on this story.
Of course I read your last point, but saying it isn’t a true or false situation is just completely vague and doesn’t belie any of your actual opinion, except perhaps that the situation is a difficult one to work out and you don’t have anymore opinion on it than that.
davepower Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm
This is about basic common sense rather than elitism. Who is more qualified to talk about some thing someone who has consumed a product or someone who hasn’t?
“You rarely exhibit any ‘product knowledge’ here even if you may have it”
Please stop this stuff is getting really sad and petty on your part. As you seem to have misunderstood what I meant by “product knowledge” despite the context being clear.
“‘product knowledge’ means very little anyway in an argument about whether a magazine report is correct or not. We both can agree that it isn’t correct (to differing extents)”
You are the one who brought up Meltzer and the “IWC” in the first place. Bizarrely given Powerslam is a newsstand magazine.
“I have my own opinion on dirtsheets, and you have yours.”
An opinion that seems to be based on never reading one seemingly.
“Of course I read your last point, but saying it isn’t a true or false situation is just completely vague and doesn’t belie any of your actual opinion, except perhaps that the situation is a difficult one to work out and you don’t have anymore opinion on it than that.”
My opinion on the matter is perfectly clear if you take what I say at face value rather than making up your own bizarre narratives.
Repeating what already said for you here. Powerslam when it breaks news it has a credible track record. I don’t expect given the position Tara is in to say that this is 100% true as it would be professional suicide to reveal that. I didnt know either point was THAT complex but there you go.
This story is about to fall off the first page and the weekend is coming up. Sorry Piggie James but youve picked a battle you cant win with any credibility.
Piggie James Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
Well obviously this argument isn’t going anywhere, but for the record I have read some Observers before and have never felt they were worth paying for at all. Way too much opinion and not a lot of new information that isn’t already obtainable on the internet. Not a lot to get out of it, unless you just want to read Meltzer’s opinion.
But once again, I just don’t think there is anything credible about the Power Slam report. That’s not to say that some of the claims in it couldn’t be true, but it would me more through luck than anything else if they were. I also don’t think Tara is the sort of person to lie, regardless of what position she might be in.
davepower Reply:
September 4th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
LOL to all of that really.
Thats none of our business