Raw Redux (December 26th, 2011): The Divas Get Loads of Screen Time. Christmas Miracles Are Real.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to those of you still celebrating. As always, I am your Khaleesi, the one and only Cryssi, some people call me Cryssi Cryssi (when I’m drunk, usually), and today I’m bringing you a Redux full of Christmas cheer. I realize that we celebrated the birth of Jesus Christ on Sunday, but the WWE was off until Monday, and last night they had plenty of wonderful gifts to hand out. We got Divas galore in all forms; a backstage segment, a fun mixed tag team match, and a promo cut right on the stage. Vickie Guerrero brought the fierce, as we’re all accustomed to seeing, and overall it was just fun a night of pure WWE entertainment. Goodness, never thought I would write a sentence like that. But hey, on a night where people can suddenly praise Johnny Ace, if for one night only, anything can happen. If that’s not a Christmas miracle, then I don’t know what is.

Kicking us off tonight are former SmackDown buddies Kelly Kelly and Big Show. There wasn’t really a point to this segment other than for Kelly to put over the Diva fitness and beauty tips on another website. Big Show seemed shocked he needed beauty tips, and the segment was interrupted by my favorite referee Scott Armstrong. He told Big Show that Johnny Ace needed to see him in his office. Both Show and Kelly ignored the plucky ref, but Armstrong was insistent that it was incredibly important. Show finally relented and Kelly teased him that he was probably in trouble. Big Show handed Kelly back her iPad and that was that.

Nothing wrong with the segment. They put over something the Divas had done, and really, who can complain about that? Big Show and Kelly were also adorable on SmackDown when they had segments together. He always watched her back like a big brother and it was fun to see it again, even if it was so brief. Love it.

Moving on, we had a special treat last night with our match. It was longer than two minutes (because it was a mixed tag, I realize that) and it featured the reunion of two very popular stars – Miss Natalya Neidhart and Tyson Kidd! They took on the team of the new United States Champion, Zack Ryder, and his crush, the lovely Eve Torres.

Zack and Tyson kick things off for us, and Tyson shows off his ruthless Canadian aggression by getting Zack in the corner and absolutely pummeling him. Ryder is beat down, kicked, has his head stepped on for a count of four. It’s not pretty, but male wrestling usually isn’t. Tyson backs off, gets Ryder up, throws him across the ring, and takes him down with an elbow. Tyson follows it up with a sick kick to that spot right between the shoulder blades, and he goes for a cover. He barely gets a two count before Zack is kicking out. Tyson gets them both to their feet and he brings Zack across the ring again. This time, the champ slams into the opposite set of turnbuckles, and Tyson charges. Ryder manages to get his knees up and he catches Tyson in the face. Kidd stumbles back and that allows Zack to scale the ropes and launch himself off. He catches Tyson with a beautiful drop-kick and that sends Tyson to the corner to make the tag to his girl.

Natalya comes in looking to have some fun, and since it’s just a mixed tag, Eve comes in as well. Nattie screams at Zack to get out of the ring, which made me giggle, and she sorta locks up with Eve. It’s more like a shove, but then the ladies end up locking horns. Nattie gets shoved into the corner, and that prompts the referee to break it up. He forces Eve back, which also Nattie to collect herself. She goes right for the former 2-Time Diva’s Champion, but Eve is ready. She brings Natalya down with a nice little arm drag, and follows it up with a kick to the stomach and a snapmare.

(Don’t you guys love that I’m actually using the real names of moves this week?!)

Eve spins around and levels Natalya with another kick, and unfortunately that gives her time to do her God-awful booty pop. I hate it. Zack likes it. She adds a standing moonsault in there, and then goes for the second cover of the match. Natalya is able to get her shoulder up. The blond Diva crawls to the ropes, and Eve follows her. But Natalya is finally able to mount some offense and drops Eve across those very ropes. Eve is temporarily out of commission so Natalya takes advantage and kicks her opponent in the stomach. Eve flops over on her back and Natalya decides she wants to go for the Sharpshooter. She wastes a little to much time playing to Tyson, and Eve is able to kick her back. Natalya goes flying into the ropes. Eve makes the tag to Zack.

Zack comes into the match, and Tyson launches his own self off the top rope. The champ anticipates this and is able to duck, then catch Tyson with a clothesline. It’s a flurry of extreme fast-paced offense from Ryder, and poor Tyson is forced to suffer from it. Ryder has the crowd in the palm of his hand. He wants to finish things off, but Tyson is able to get in one last ditch effort of offense. Ryder ends up turning it to his advantage and gets Tyson in a pinning position. Natalya makes the save, but Eve makes sure she doesn’t do that again when she makes Nattie eat a drop kick. Side by side, Zack and Eve fist pump to the sky. They go for their respective opponents, and Eve ends up booting Natalya clear out of the ring. Zack gets Tyson in perfect position for his finisher, and he scores a huge win for himself, and his crush!

He got the win, but can he get the girl?

If some of you are wondering why they did such a random pairing with Zack and Eve, then just stop. It’s not random. If you’re viewers of the WWE.com videos, and of Z! True Long Island Story, then you’ll know that Zack has a little crush on Eve. She’s a pretty good replacement for the evil Princess Leia who dumped Zack a while back, so it’s cute that the WWE put them together in a tag match. I actually really liked this match, and this team. I hope we get to see more of it.

On the other side of the coin, Tyson and Natalya are so darn adorable. Having them reunite onscreen was such a treat. I wouldn’t mind seeing more of that either. Perhaps he can run around with Nattie and Beth? I don’t know. I just know it’s a shame the WWE seems to waste Tyson. Maybe this match will catapult him into a feud with Ryder for the U.S. Championship since my baby Dolph is now going to be involved in the main event?

The hits keep on coming. My girls, Brie and Nikki Bella, made their presence felt. For weeks we’ve seen them crush on Alberto Del Rio. And this week they decided to join him while he and Ricardo Rodriguez were cutting a pretty sad promo on the stage.

Alberto is injured and apparently that means he won’t be around for awhile. He has a pulled groin. The Bellas come out and Brie is quick to get on the crowd. She wants them to show Alberto some respect. Nikki agrees, but she also says that once Alberto has fully healed, she is going to throw a party in his honor. I can only assume that it will be a welcome back party. Brie gets a little miffed and claims that she was going to throw the party. Nikki just shrugs and reminds her that basically anyone can throw a party. That leads to Brie accusing her sister of copying her, and the twins arguing over Alberto in his wheelchair. The former WWE Champion gets really annoyed by their bickering and sends them away.

It’s nice that the WWE acknowledged this storyline, instead of just pretending like it never happened thanks to Del Rio getting injured. I’m all for random segments, and storylines, especially when the Bella twins are involved, so this segment was a lot of fun for me. I like the twins constantly arguing and I’m curious to see if it will spill over into a future match. Surely if they’re not on the same page, or just fed up with each other, they’re not going to be able to get along in the ring? Lets hope this doesn’t just abruptly stop.

And speaking of things that should never stop, Vickie and Dolph. This week, our blond hero was involved in a gauntlet match along with his stable-mate, Jack Swagger, and the World’s Strongest Man, Mark Henry. If any of those three men would be able to defeat CM Punk, they would become the number one contender to the WWE Championship. No doubt this left Vickie salivating, as she had a two out of three chance to get one of her men into the title picture. When Swagger failed, it was up to Dolph. Lets take a look.


skip ahead to 12:12 if you want to see just Vickie and her involvement!

Words can not express how perfect Vickie Guerrero is in her role. She’s the type of manager every heel wrestler should want, and they just happened to put her with the best heel on the roster. In my opinion, a lot of Dolph’s success is to her credit. She’s gotten him so over with the crowd. His wrestling skills just back up why he should be over. Vickie was perfect tonight. She saw Swagger eat defeat, and she certainly wasn’t going to let Dolph suffer the same fate. When things started breaking down Ziggler, Vickie involved herself in the match. She held on to Punk for dear life, giving her man another chance to try and make a comeback. She got caught, too. Johnny Ace stormed the ring and ordered Vickie and Jack from ringside. But lets be honest, he just wanted to distract CM Punk. It ended up working in Dolph’s favor and next week we get to see him in a championship match. I can only hope that Vickie plays a huge role in that match. Surely that’s not to much ask? As someone who has always been a fan of managers, she’s such a throwback to the glory days of wrestling. I definitely put her right up there with the likes of Bobby “The Brain” Heenan and Sherri Martel, two of the all-time great heel managers. Dolph and Vickie actually remind me of young HBK and Sherri in a lot of ways. The WWE needs to keep these two together, forever.

What a happy Redux this has turned out to be. See, WWE. It is possible to do the right thing when it comes to your Divas. Now just give us single matches that last for over five minutes on Raw and I’ll never write another bad word about you again. That probably won’t happen but I’m going to remain optimistic. 2012 is a chance to wipe the slate clean and start fresh. I have faith in this company. I have always had faith in the Divas. Lets see if next week we can ring in the new year right.

Until then… Cryssi out!

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  • defineinsanity

    Omg it’d be so cute if they got together

  • dah-dah-dah-diva

    Natalya has been doing very bad lately. She used to be so great at putting on good matches with basically any Diva, nowadays I think she’s trying to wrestle too woman-like to continue to stay booked. All she does is pull hair and ask if her opponent wants to cry which is just ridiculous. You can still wrestle like a Diva without doing the same boring shit over and over again. Melina in the beginning of her career is the perfect example. Where are the hair tosses? That spinning clothesline? Come on Natalya! You can do so much better!

    • mariah.

      Well to play devil’s advocate, heels always tend to have more limited movesets whether it be a Superstar or Diva. Just look at Michelle McCool wrestling as a face, then a heel. Same with Melina. Faces just tend to come off as more athletic in the ring with flips and tricks and spots. Heels usually come off as more aggressive relying on submissions and strong strikes.

      • norisclouds

        Yup hehehe you said in less what it took me like 3 paragraphs to spit out. Heels are supposed to dumb down their movesets so that the babyface can look better by comparison. You can see the difference with a lot of guys too–like Edge’s matches as heel v when he’s face or Randy/Christian. All the ladies start pulling hair when they go heel-I remember before Lita first turned and there was a debate about whether or not she’d actually be able to do it because her entire moveset just screamed babyface, but she successfully transitioned to the slower strike/hair pulling style of a heel.

        • mariah.

          Exactly!

    • norisclouds

      Well, the heel’s job is to make the face look good. She can’t go out there and do anything flashy that gets cheers. People were cheering her sharpshooter and the pin-up strong maneuver in the beginning, so she has to do everything possible to make the face look better than her, especially if most of the faces she’s fighting aren’t at the level where they can pull heat on their own. (And I’m not saying the ladies she’s fighting are horrible, but aside from Eve I don’t think anyone has a flashy enough offense to pull the crowd into caring about them) It’s like when Lita went heel and stopped doing any of her fancier lucha moves. She did her headscissors once and the crowd popped and started to cheer her/cheered her litacanranna so she never did it again. She’s supposed to make you hate her.

      Trish also dropped her satellite headscissors when she wrestled as a heel and they all would do more hair pulling and snapmares instead of technical wrestling. I think that’s just the way they tell heel divas to wrestle. Even Molly used to do it, and to a lesser extent, Victoria. It’s an easy way to show the heel cheating if they’re grabbing the opponent’s hair.

      I actually cringed when Kelly would accidentally grab Beth’s because the commentators would have to play it off as “She’s doing whatever she can!” when a face should never grab the heel’s hair, ever.

      • Jhonmarco

        Good points, I think doing flashy moves as a heel can work, you just need to put in that cockyness that makes people want to boo you. Like say kip-up after a headscissors or dropkick, kind of Nicole Matthews like in Shimmer if you will. Typically though when your a heel, you use more submissions & wear-down moves. A rare heel that uses flashy moves is Athena, granted she did turn face in shimmer. (that turn may be due to the pops she was getting from the crowds) *rant over :) sorry lol.

        • norisclouds

          Yea I agree with you. It’s all in execution. Once you have a wrestler that gets more comfortable as a heel they can do a flashy move without pulling too much face heat–once their character is established. Trish would still do her Matrish but then she’d follow it up with a cocky Jake the Snake Roberts/Roddy Piper head tap or shake. Lita did the same thing towards the end, when she’d go up to hit the moonsault or pull off a head scissors–a good example of that was in her last match against Mickie James. But generally they walk a fine line. I remember in ’06 when Lita hit that diving hurricanrana on Edge “by accident” and the crowd went nuts and started a Lita chant. Gotta pick your moments!

          It’s funny but I think we have Fabulous Moolah to thank for the wrestling style of heel divas. The snap mare, the throwing the opponent’s head against the mat–that’s all Moolah. On a side note– I really miss Lita and Trish. When they transitioned you would never guess they were previously heel or face they were so damned good at selling a story in the ring.

          I showed family members some of their matches, particularly the main event match and Trish’s retirement match from Unforgiven and Lita’s match against Mickie (and these family members generally hate wrestling) and they were very impressed at how good they both were at playing characters/selling offense/defense. OK, done gushing. And yea my parents popped for the moonsault/diving hurricanrana/headscissors/stratusfaction hahaha

        • ricky_says_hi

          yeah a heel can add in one or two moves like that without using it too often. Jillian did her cartwheels and handsprings and so did Molly as well. Lita was also able to use her moonsault because it was associated with her and ditto with Trish and the Stratusfaction

      • dah-dah-dah-diva

        Guys I never said Natalya should be doing anything flashy. I wouldn’t even let her do anything flashy if she were a face because it just doesn’t fit her. There is a way of wrestling like a heel Diva and still having a nice, strong move-set and Natalya probably has one of the worst heel move-sets I have ever seen in my life.

        You don’t hold their hair on the floor and start asking them to cry in the beginning of the match? After the weakest move I’ve ever seen in my life? How does that make sense? Plus they just got into the ring.

        Look at Molly Holly, Victoria, Mickie James, Melina, even Dawn Marie – these women had strong heel move-sets. I don’t understand why Natalya has to slow every match down, kind of like Maryse did – when she can easily use a hair toss, snap suplex, backbreaker, you can choke them on the second ropes, you can kick them in the side of the head – there is so MUCH you can do as a heel Diva. Natalya decides to slow the match down, which really irritates me. And I just wish she would incorperate her spinning clotheline because that is one devastating move if sold right.

        • norisclouds

          Hmm OK I guess I see your point. Maybe you’re right and they tell her not to wrestle that way? Beth still does a strong moveset as a heel, and Natalya used to when she first debuted.

        • dah-dah-dah-diva

          Look at AJ Lee as a heel too. She had an amazing move set. There really is no excuses for Natalya, I don’t even see how it makes sense to waste 10 seconds asking your opponent to cry after such a weak move in the start of the match. Atleast Molly would like do a camel clutch and stretch her opponent’s mouth out. Or Victoria would like do a devastating move and be like “DO YOU LIKE THAT?” Even Maxine does such a great job. She’s constantly doing something. She’ll choke them on the ropes. Kick them in the gut a few times. Pick them up and bam, hair toss. There is always something to do as a heel Diva. Maryse was great too before she injured her knee and came back with two moves.

  • LadyGoDiva

    I really miss mixed tag team matches because back then the WWE realy knew how to put on a really good mixed tag match and it was a really good way to kill time for the Divas because it would’ve been a hot mess if it was a divas match.

    Its great to hear that Cryssi has some faith in the Divas and as we head to a new year I hope for some “change” in the women’s division and I dont mean having it to do with the Divas title or taking the title away from Beth whatsoever.
    I mean have “CM Punk” moment where one moment can change everything.

    Kinda disappointed not to see Rosa Mendes on RAW,hopefully she’ll be on
    Smackdown?

    • norisclouds

      The last mixed tag I really enjoyed and remember the crowd getting really hot for was Trish, Carlito, Cena vs Lita, Randy, Edge. It was so much fun, the finish was great, and the crowd was going nuts for it the entire time!

      • shameronstar

        Isn’t that the match where Edge speared Trish and she sold the spear better than anyone else ever had because it looked like she got broken in half?

        • Melina&Mickie4ever!

          @LadyGoDiva – I miss mix tag team matches too , hopefully we get some more. I would like to see Rosa , Epico & Primo vs Eve , Zack Ryder , Alexy Riley (I guess lol) and Rosa could pin Eve getting her 1st win and considering she would like to face off with Eve

        • dah-dah-dah-diva

          Sameronstar – You can always count on Trish to sell a move in a devastating manner. I just love that girl. Even when Mickie gave her the Mick Kick at WrestleMania, she like spiraled down onto the canvas like out cold.

        • norisclouds

          Nope that was Carlito and Trish v Lita and Edge (another really good one) this was the one where Randy RKO’d Trish at the end and did the “You can’t See Me” to the ref as he snuck out of the ring and Lita got the pin!

          lol

  • Jhonmarco

    For once the divas had a good raw last night imo. The Bellas didn’t sound so wooden, that’s always a plus. Or at least Brie didn’t & they got a reaction (although that may be because Chicago is so anti-diva). I’d be interested in Ryder/Eve as a couple, granted AJ/Daniel was teased & nothing came out of it so it’s touch & go. Vicke was fierce, nothing new there. Oh & the Bellas looked GOOOD (;

    • Jamesgangforever

      They are anti-diva? I didn’t know that because when mickie and trish faced each other at wrestlemania in 2006, the crowd went crazy for mickie, they absolutely loved mickie.

      • Jhonmarco

        The Chicago crowd is more aware of who the model divas are & who the wrestler divas are. They cheered Mickie mostly because of her crazy lesbian charecter, who wouldn’t cheer that? & Trish got booed at times because fans were on overload she had the belt at that time for over a yera & they wanted to see a title change. I’m sure they would have cheered Mickie regardless though, they usually boo people they feel don’t belong in wrestling like Kelly Kelly or John Cena.

        • norisclouds

          Don’t forget Mickie’s sexy outfit they went nuts when she’d pin Trish with her butt hanging out or showed her cleavage.

          Chicago crowd likes wrestlers–but they loooove real wrestlers with sexy gimmicks.

        • stephmc

          so true, chicago fans loves real wrestlers. but they do love watching girls with sexy gimmicks like askana, i jus dont knw y. but oh well lol :)

  • shameronstar

    Individually I don’t care for Alberto or the Bella Twins, but if they got paired together and the Bellas became his valets it would automatically make all 3 a lot more interesting, they should also make AJ Daniel Bryan’s valet already too. I think many of the divas would be more interesting and would actually have more interesting things to do if they became valets and/or partners with the male talent.

  • wl75

    I thought the match was good- loved the hairgel crack Cole made. Ryder is so over right now it’s scary.

    Del Rio’s going to be out for about 4-6 weeks (groin injury) from what I read, and they might reboot his character a bit when he gets back- thus him dissing the Bellas.

  • mariah.

    I actually enjoyed Raw Divas wise. I’m always for blending the Divas storylines in with the men because it shows that the Divas do have an impact on the overall product and they can change the landscape completely at any given time. It makes them seem more important. Just look at how big and important it was when Trish turned heel on Chris Jericho or the whole Lita/Edge/Matt Hardy drama.

  • Jhonmarco

    & did anyone else think that was kinda disrespectful when the crowd chanted “we want ryder!” when the girls were wrestling? Then again this is chicago we’re talking about.

    • http://twitter.com/cookiewwediva Cookie

      yes.. like really? i love ryder every thing but damn ryder was in the match i don’t know why they wanted ryder so bad,when it’s was the girl turn i mean? can’t ryder get in trouble for wrestling girl if he’s not allowed too lol,i’m pretty ryder not diva.. But eve vs Natayla could been x10 times better!

    • norisclouds

      It was definitely disrespectful, but this is what happens when they write the women like a joke and give them 2 minute matches. Remember when the crowd used to pop even louder for Trish, Steph and Lita in those mixed tags back in 2000? =/

    • WweLitafan4ever

      yup.
      it sucks that the loud cities(chicago,ny,philadelphia) are the disrespectful cities.

  • Melina&Mickie4ever!

    I figured they would team up Eve & Zack , lol The christmas Video with Eve opening up gifts from her secret santa with all of Zack Ryder’s merchandise had me rolling Eve’s facial expressions kill’d it. lol. I hope wwe continues to pair up Eve & Zack this is actually a good looking couple.

    I enjoyed the match i just wish Eve & Natalya had a bit more time. :) It was nice seeing a mix tag team match again. It was a huge breath of FRESH AIR!

    • Raekon

      You should check the clips of Rosa and Zack in ECW.

      Everyone loved them as a couple cause they were hilarious together.

      If she wouldn’t be with Primo and Epico, it would had been great to have them back together.

      Eve is ok but she doesn’t fit with him as much as Rosa did back then.

      • shameronstar

        Eve seems like too refined and classy of a woman to have a interesting relationship with any of the wwe superstars. She’s more like that successful independent woman that would rather have a career than a boyfriend/husband and kids which is why she should become wwe’s Oprah or something.

        • Melina&Mickie4ever!

          @Shameronstar LMAO! She does seem that way , Eve seems like the type of Women that woudnt let no man hold her down she does seem very independent. She looks like she goes after them classy guys who only wears suits where ever they go even out to the supermarket. Eve wears the pants in her relationships. Eve seems to be one of them women who has no time for bullshit.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/bxshadow23?feature=mhum EveLover

          Funny thing is ,Eve actually dates Rener Gracie lol. He’s just a normal guy, no suits or anything ;p

        • Melina&Mickie4ever!

          @EveLover she does ? lol Coulda fooled me.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/bxshadow23?feature=mhum EveLover

          lol ,yeah she does. Tbh ,she fooled me also because she does seem like the ‘independent ,I want a lawyer boyfriend’ type of girl ;) .

    • revivingophelia

      I loved the video of Eve opening up her ‘Secret Santa’ gifts… She was so cute in it.

      And while I admittedly am not a big Zack Ryder fan, it would be great to see some of the women get more involved in the guys’ story lines, so I hope they do keep going with the Zack and Eve stuff and that they don’t drop it like they seem to have dropped the AJ and Daniel Bryan angle.

  • ricky_says_hi

    good write up though for future reference:
    “blonde” – females and them as a group
    “blond” – males

  • Raekon

    Was a ok night. Hope that NXT, Superstars and Smackdown will give us more.

  • Krazyvickay

    I liked the match since Eve and Natalya have good chemistry.Zack and Eve would be a funny comedy. I loved the Secret Santa skit on WWE.com. Hopefully WWE does a Zack/Eve vs. Tyson/Natalya feud since it looks like Dolph is moving up to the main event scene.

    I remeber Kelly and Big Show’s Smackdown days as bffs. The Bellas were funny when fighting on who’s going to throw him the party. I like their roles as valets. I’m sad that we don’t get to see Beth on the last Raw 2011.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/bxshadow23?feature=mhum EveLover

    Kelly Segment- It was nice ,I liked it .Kelly did very well imo, she looked like she was just having fun and I like that.

    Bellas segment- Loved it also . Its always good to see girls get mic time and the bellas got it and actually did very good .Comparing it to some of their past promos ,this one was good. Im also very anxious to see The Bellas become Del rio’s valet ,it will be good for them and when they get that oush next year ( I believe they will ) I bet they’ll be over enough.

    Mixed Tag Match- My favorite part, I loved it. It was great to see nattie & kidd together ,I hope they stay together tbh. Kidd could be DOD’s bodyguard , not that they need it ,but a male would be a a good addition imo. Now Eve & Rydahhh , FINALLY it happened !. Im actually surprised to see wwe actually put some background into this. We have ryder sending eve gifts ,flirting with her on twitter for MONTHS ,and saying he has a crush on her on the Z! True Long Island Story not only that but it seems to be like wwe might be making them a couple but not rushed. This could very good for eve actually ,it will probably help her connect with the crowd and she could finally get over. I think wwe should go on with this ,Eve could be Ryder’s talker ( he needs it ) .We might also see alot of Mixed Tag Matches in the future if this happens, which I love.

    Btw ,was I the only one that totally MARKED OUT when dolph won the main event :D .I hope this is the beginning of a big main event push for Ziggler :D .

    • shameronstar

      I just though of how the Bella can use their relationship with Alberto and Ricardo their potential feud against Kharma. Maybe the Bellas can use Ricardo as a shield or punching bag against Kharma and then when he’s beaten down by her the Bella’s and use Alberto’s money hire someone “formidable” to help them take Kharma down.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/bxshadow23?feature=mhum EveLover

        Yes! .Kinda like Angelina Love & Kharma feud on TNA. Kharma went throught Cute Kipp ,Madison ,&Velvet. Of course what youre saying is different but I think you can see my reference,right? .IF the wwe did it how you said it ,it would be the perfect to hire natalya or beth or heck even bring in SDR. But I do see your point.

    • http://twitter.com/cookiewwediva Cookie

      100% agree but i don’t want ziggler to be wwe champion give cm punk chance he only had the wwe champion for 3 months,So not yet cm punk earn the title & should keep it for at least 10 month or more lmaoo.. But eve needs something i love her she’s amazing wrestling in the ring but,i hate how she don’t have personality or something to build up her persona,like she more back stage time then kelly kelly because i’m really getting tired of kelly kelly. Getting spot light alicia fox should get spot light right now because she’s next in to became wwe divas champion! Eve & zack ryder should be on screen couple i heard they we’re dating in real life

      • Melina&Mickie4ever!

        I think they are gonna take the title off Punk because they claim its his fault for the ratings dropping. *Yawn* Who the champion is the ratings drop so what they hell are they talking about. No wonder the wwe title has lost its value. They change hads every 2 months. WWe seems to not have time to invest in building a character and waiting months and years for them to win a world title. A new star comes in has a mid-card fued for the 1st month then wins the world title within the next two months. Where it would have tooken someone like Edge years to do. #EpicFail

        • Krazyvickay

          I think the ratings dropped because the 1st hour is always so bad. I mean if the 1st segment is JR vs Michael Cole in a dance contest what did you expect.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/bxshadow23?feature=mhum EveLover

        I understand what youre saying about punk. Tbh,I agree .He deserves this push but I kinda meant that managment should build up ziggler as a strong main eventer even if he doesnt win the championship from punk. Give him a long lasting feud with punk ,the two guys can feud until wrestlemania since they have GREAT chemistry inside the ring. I woulnt mind watching that :D.

        I also agree with youre comments on eve. She became my favorite because I love what she does in the ring. She ,imo, is the total package . Wrestling ,Mic Skills ,Acting but the charisma problem is holding her back -.- .So thats why pairing her up with Rydahhh ,is a very good decision for her ,because this would give her a chance to show charisma and connect with the crowd. Maybe by the end of 2012 she will be over & she could get that long awaited push for the title and not a random title change.

        Also Eve & Ryder aren’t dating. From what I know she is dating rener gracie ,a guy from the gracie academy where she trains for jui-jitsu.

        • http://twitter.com/cookiewwediva Cookie

          i agreed with both of you if they take away the wwe champion from cm punk,The wwe better be repair because they going lose lot more. ratings like badly for raw & Hopeful Eve torres & Zack ryder do be on screen couple across my fingers! Wait what happen to aj & daniel bryan they we’re so cute with each other :/<

        • stephmc

          i just saw at lordsofpain that wwe creative is going to build up the eve/zackryder storyline for like a month and end the relationship soon after so zack ryder can focus on himself. but that sucks, i really love the chemistry between eve and ryder and eve could play the manager type role for ryder just in time for wrestlemania. plus not only will ryder look great as usual but he can create an endorse for eve which will make eve surprisingly get more fans. if this storyline is cut short, then eve should turn heel or even kelly kelly. it would be interesting tho. cnt wait to c wot happens nxt week between eve and ryder. they look AWESOME!

        • http://twitter.com/cookiewwediva Cookie

          yes they do & i think they will make kelly kelly heel or at least tweener to build feud with eve because kelly kelly thinks that,Eve spend too much time with zack ryder. & She don’t help her in tag team matches anymore because zack & eve staring at each other he standing on ring side.. & so much more then kelly kelly just tell eve she done & attack her..& alicia fox attacks kelly kelly.. So it would be Devilish K 2 that would be such epic story line!

  • jen07201

    For those intrested WWE is going to continue pairing Zack Ryder and Eve Torres for the next few weeks. I really hope this storyline goes far it has potential and I just hope they don’t screw it up or that they go for it for some time and then forget about it. I think they look good together what do you guys think?

    • shameronstar

      Eve should should eventually turn heel on him because I can see her saying something like,”I too good to date a silly ridiculous loser like you!” and then a girl like Kaitlyn who seems more like the type of girl Zack would date can come in and defend him, become is new friend or something, and start feuding with Eve.

      • jen07201

        Actually I think they will turn Kaitlyn heel they already had but they didn’t air it she had turned on aj and joined beth and natalya and I think Eve looks good with Zack it would help her become more popular.

      • Jhonmarco

        That sounds great! Kinda of how Trish turned heel on Jericho & the next night, she said Jericho wasn’t even in her league. I’ll always remember this line “You can’t get no stratusfaction.” Epic much? :D

        • jen07201

          Do you think they would repeat a storyline? Besides eve is a top babyface and it would certainly ruin her feud with beth and natalya if they turned her heel.

        • Jhonmarco

          Let’s be honest here, do the divas even have constinency down for there to be a proper feud? Who here would be heartbroken if DOD vs. Kelly/Eve/Alicia ended? This division has zero credibilty, I see no problem with Beth moving on to a feud with someone else & Eve turning heel. & I can’t count how many storylines have been repeated in WWE. Nothing’s new in wrestling these days.

        • jen07201

          Yeah but that would leave no storyline to DOD and I think they have already invested in that storyline a lot of months and I think if they ended it beth and natalya would be less used or not used a lot. TNA is where they have the real good storylines with the knockouts.

    • stephmc

      wwe creative are going to build up the storyline thanks to lordsofpain website. i have high hopes for this but they are apparently going to continue the relationship between eve and ryder for like 4 weeks which is a month i guess. i wonda if they could carry it on.

  • Lily

    That was awful anyway ….

    everyone tune in Thursday to watch real wrestling and yes i’m now supporting TNA (:

    • jen07201

      Yeah now that’s is where knockouts get appreciated and get intresting storylines look at gail kim or winter they got storylines in TNA and not in WWE.

    • Jhonmarco

      because the girls are in the main event? :) um okay then?

      • jen07201

        Yeah I mean knockouts get to have street fight matches, falls count anywhere matches, last knockout standing matches, cage matches they really put up intresting matches.

        • Jhonmarco

          But isn’t this about the divas? I mean if the divas were mentioned in a knockouts thread it’d be on! I like the knockouts division right now, it could use a lot of work though. It’s nowhere near perfect.

        • http://www.twitter.com/xTeamK2 Blonde Bombshell

          Part of these matches, if not ALL, look fake.

        • jen07201

          Yeah but I prefer seeing the knockouts over the divas I feel that they put on more intresting matches than the divas.

      • FrankNFurter

        Yes, because they’re in the main event.

        When the company you work for, believes you are good enough, excuse me, believes your talent should be showcased in the main event, essentially the biggest match of the night, that speaks volumes.

        And I’m sure the ladies will be given more than 40+ seconds of in-ring time.

    • FrankNFurter

      YESSSSS! Mickie vs Gail in the main event, can’t wait! (:

      • jen07201

        Yeah and supposably Melina interferes in that match.

        • FrankNFurter

          *Gasp* I forgot about that. I really do hope it is Melina, even with all the hate she’ll get for being another diva in the knockouts division. Oh well, I’m excited!

        • jen07201

          I guess we will see if it’s Melina I really hope it is because I would love to see Melina vs Mickie James and see how it ends and I would like to see also Gail Kim vs Melina in TNA.

      • norisclouds

        Yea I’m looking forward to Gail vs Melina!

    • mariah.

      Since you’re now supporting TNA, why don’t you take your comments to the TNA threads instead of berating something you obviously don’t support or care about. You probably won’t be missed here anyways.

      • jen07201

        MY BAD I just wish that the divas would get as much time and would given more than they are given now. I wish divas like Tamina, Beth, Natalya would not lose every match they compete in. I feel like they have potential and that WWE is ignoring their talent and its going to waste.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/bxshadow23?feature=mhum EveLover

        I digg ;)

        • jen07201

          Yeah I really wish that they would win more often and be used properly instead of making them look weak and beth as champion should always be dominant not just in ppv’s but regularly.

        • mariah.

          ;)

      • Lily

        Actually ma to the freaking riah, i was dissing WWE in a WWE thread. I won’t be missed? Please, i’m not a bragger or anything but i have different opinions than most people on here that many think is interesting. You’re just another DD poster and you don’t have any interesting feedback that people can miss so to me your boring. Also, a low-life scumbag actually made a fake account posing as me on here. So how can me the original Lily not be missed?

        Also, i’m so sorry that you still support WWE and actually give them ratings with what there doing with the girls. They are actually losing LOTS of viewers, wasn’t the rating last week 2.50? If you stop supporting something you don’t agree on then maybe things will change and they will realize that they need to make better storylines and better wrestling for ALL DIVISIONS!

        • jen07201

          Hey calm down I know how you feel but I agree WWE needs to create more interesting storylines for divas and not make the real talented divas lose almost every match.

        • Lily

          I am calm but this Mariah girl is getting rowdy for no reason xD. I guess she’s mad that WWE is losing all of it’s viewers :\ boohoo

        • Jhonmarco

          Mariah gives pretty good comments, I mean I know he/she said negative things towards you but why get rowdy back? If your now a TNA fan, why don’t you comment on their threads?

        • mariah.

          @Jhonmarco That was my only point. I wasn’t trying to pick a fight or “get rowdy” because I have better things to do then argue with someone over the internet. I was just saying, if you don’t like WWE’s product and don’t support it, then don’t come on their threads and berate it, just to make your presence known. It’s immature and annoying. Thanks for the support though :)

        • Jhonmarco

          Anytime :) your a great DD user <3

        • mariah.

          @Lily: I’m sorry, I never realized how influential you were. I apologize to your dozens of fans who may have been offended by my comments and I hope the people in this thread are not too hurt by your absence. I also hope the Divas division can recover from this great loss of you as a fan.

          Sincerely, Ma freaking riah.

        • mariah.

          @Jhonmarco: <3

        • Jhonmarco

          LOOOOOOOOOL @ your comment to Lily! You went in!!!!!

        • Lily

          I wasn’t getting rowdy back, i was just pointing out on why i was still on the subject of WWE and not becoming irrelevant. I was dissing their product on a WWE topic. I’m not going to go to a TNA and be like ‘WWE is so lame’. Also, by dissing them i said ‘go watch TNA’ which is a big diss and offense to WWE.

          Well, i’v been on DD long enough to know who actually has interesting comments and not the same old ‘give them a chance or it wasn’t that bad’ type of comment. I like comments that sound very opinionated and that people can agree on. I mean go look at the Michelle McCool: Woman of the year thread, some people actually backed up their comment and made great points on their opinons on her.

          Also, just becaus i like TNA now doesn’t mean WWE still isn’t on my radar. I still support some of their girls but i don’t support too many of them to actually waste 2 hours of my night. I was just promoting TNA on a WWE product but you don’t see me talking about Angelina or Velvet Sky so i wasn’t being that irrelevant.

        • Lily

          LOL Mariah you clearly don’t understand a sarcastic when you ‘read’ one. I mean it is the internet so you clearly didn’t understand fully but i was joking. Why would i care about being missed on a site? I’m not anyone special like you or anything so why would i be missed or to that point, care?

          I also didn’t see how that was an ‘LOL’ moment but okay. I mean it would have been hilarious if i wasn’t being sarcastic and was being serious but c’mon now.

        • mariah.

          @Jhonmarco: LOL, go big or go home :P

        • Lily

          It’s actually go hard or go home -.-

        • Jhonmarco

          It’s actually either one :)

        • Lily

          but one actually makes sense in this situation …

          go big or go home is a reference for when you want to accomplish something extreme or so.

        • Faye

          I’m sorry, but the “Ma freaking Riah” had me roooooolllinng!!! Too funny:p

          *Clears throat.* Carry on. :)

        • mariah.

          @Faye: I slipped up there, it’s actually “Ma to the freaking riah.” Apologies to Lily.

        • Faye

          LMAO! Girl, you are quite the comedienne! Keep it up :D

        • mariah.

          @Faye: :P

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/LovableLittleRabbit?feature=mhum Megumi

        #TeamMariah.

        Clocked that stupid bitch right out of town.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/LovableLittleRabbit?feature=mhum Megumi

          WE LOVE MARIAH!

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/LovableLittleRabbit?feature=mhum Megumi

        #TeamMariah.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/LovableLittleRabbit?feature=mhum Megumi

          #TEAM MARIAH

    • http://www.tpwprowrestling.freeforums.org Juan

      Welcome to the Knockouts fans! Lol its true I’m so anxious to watch this Thursday I mean they’re the main event, plus Melina (hopefully) and ODB fighting men!! Awesome!! Unfortunately you will find that the Knockouts are vastly under appreciated!! Not just here either :(

      • jen07201

        Yeah I can’t wait to see if it’s melina who shows up she denied it on twitter but who knows?

  • AKA_AK

    I enjoyed it. Nattie and Eve always work well together, and they didn’t dissapoint this time round considering the time they had. I wish they’d not have cut to a commercial after Zack and Eve’s entrances because from what I’ve seen on the Raw Digitals both Zack and Eve had a microphone in their hand, as well as Kidd and Natalya.

    • jen07201

      It was nice seeing tyson and natalya team up again.

  • TheGamergirl22

    Seeing that Nattie is the Tyson Kidd of the Divas and they were a team before it’s fitting their a tag team,

    Anyway Tyson Kidd looks good with hair.

    I’m glad it’s Eve, she’s the most fun to watch out of the Powerpuff Girls of the Diva division. also Ryder and Eve is cute

    Also Rosa and The Belle Twins being used right and not wrestling.

    Hopefully Beth returns and kick ass but that’s not going to happen

  • TheGamergirl22

    A bigger miracle would be Beth and Nattie not jobbing, or Layla returning

    • jen07201

      Yeah everyone wants Layla to come back. I wonder if she is coming back as a face or a heel.

      • http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/WWE_Divas/ art

        lays coming back as a face she said on twitter shes a good girl now…

        • jen07201

          Cool I always wanted to see layla as a face since she has almost always been a heel.

        • http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/WWE_Divas/ art

          yeah shes spent too long as a heel…

  • http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/WWE_Divas/ art

    match was decent….but hey the girls were out their longer then a minute so im happy….

    the bellas nailed their promo & i hope this leads to them fighting over alberto & a feud between them….

  • DarknessRuler

    Soooo whatever happened to the Kiss Brie won on SD?? Did she ever use it??

  • http://twitter.com/BroskiRomano Ryan

    Whooooo! Eve Torress backing dat ass up!! WHOO! Whoo! Whoo!! Lucky MoFo whos tappin dat…

    I dont care for or like Ryder personally I think hes a fucken goof but gotta admit the WHOO! WHOO! WHOO! chants are impressive as hell!!

    And always great to see Tyson Kidd kicking ass!!

    Really good match!! =D

    Actually not much wrestling was done in this match lmao except from Tyson..

    Bella Twins..wish they acted more like the Babysitter Twins from Robb Rodriguez movies Planet Terror and Machete where they fight over guys lmao…crazy ass hoes

  • Lily

    The only reason to watch WWE nowadays is for Lay, Maxine, AJ, Beth, and Natalya. It’s a much better feeling to know that you don’t have to be disappointed every Monday to watch 2 minutes of Diva action. I mean TNA now has some of the girls most of us Diva fans support/supported … Winter, Gail, Mickie, Tara, and soon Melina.

    I’ll probably go back to watching every Monday as soon as Kharma returns becuase then WWE will actually push things to the moon.

    • RealMaryse

      can u stop now, i mean i get it u like tna and u dont want to watch wwe until kharma returns fine than do me a pleasure and pls also stop writing comments until then just go write to tna stuff im not gonna miss u
      and also i dont get if the only reason u watch wwe is for the divas i mean dont u wanna see the hole show with superstars i mean i love wwe with divas and superstars

      • Lily

        I don’t care if you’re not going to miss me. You are not Paul Walker or William Levy for me to care! I’ll post whatever i want and if you find that annoying, I DON CAREE XD goodnight

      • Lily

        Yes, i only watch WWE for the Divas. Most of the superstars in WWE now have me sleeping except for CM Punk, Sheamus, Daniel, Cody and Dolph.

    • jen07201

      Seems like you and me are on the same wavelenght what would you think of melina going to TNA and feuding with mickie and gail kim? Do you think kharma will return as a face?

    • norisclouds

      I know how you feel…

  • KHARMA DESTRUCTION

    Does Eve have any problem with her nose? She´s like ALWAYS putting her hand in her nose!

    • Lily

      LMFAO i thought i was the only one who noticed that!

      • KHARMA DESTRUCTION

        lol you´re not alone hehe

        • KHARMA DESTRUCTION

          but that is SO annoying, omg everytime she does that I just want to slap her seriously!

        • jen07201

          Hey maybe its a manner maybe that is why she touches her nose who knows.

    • Jamesgangforever

      I have never noticed that.

  • chrisP

    “Maryse was great too before she injured her knee and came back with two moves.”

    Despite what revisionist history says, she was doing that before she got hurt. Plus, Maryse herself has confirmed that after having surgery in July 2009, her knee was perfectly fine.

    I read today that this Zack-Eve angle was put on TV because WWE has decided to tone down Zack’s push a little bit after last week’s Raw main event was a ratings disaster.

  • jen07201

    HUH There seems to be a lot of divas with superstars in storylines like aj and daniel bryan, the bellas and alberto del rio, vickie and dolph and jack, rosa and epico and primo, jtg and tamina, maybe alicia and justin gabriel, and now eve and zack ryder.