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Where is this leading to because there is no clear cut Diva rivalry for Wrestlemania -.-
I hope it will be a good match with decent amount of time.
Damn where is layla?! common !!! or kharma? when they will be back? i dont wanna see the same matches all the time. 2012 is a horrible year for the divas by far.
StephMC Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
OMG I so agree. I really want Layla to come back ASAP and feud for the Divas title!! I guess she mite return after WM28 for some reason to get a speeding recovery on her injury. I cnt wait 2 see her back in the ring. Also Kharma had recently suffered a loss so I have no idea when she will return or would like to return at a certain time. I wish the best for her n hpe she comes back stronger than ever! So far the 2012 Diva PPV’s were really good so far I guess, well in my opinion! x
The WWE has NO idea what its doing with the Divas at Mania, BUT I have a feeling Eve will be involved as she’s featured on a weekly basis.
As for Kelly VS Beth….Hopefully the announcers allude to whats going on, Im guessing Kelly/Natalya VS Eve/Beth. OR Somehow Beth takes on Eve, I got the vibe that on Monday they weren’t working together.
I don’t where the WWE are going with the divas right now. Most likely a tag match. Because I can see that there is no clear cut feud going on right now. They are showcasing everything entirely around Eve and only Eve. As for the match, I hope it is good.
at least Beth gets a chance to wrestle,because the backstage segment on Raw was awful and she looked like a fool. is this the dominant champion?
^_^ Oh I realy hope Kelly Kelly is wearing her black attire she looks so damn SMEXY in that attire lol and i hope she wears her hair in a ponytail….I know she wont tho.
Why do most ask questions they already know the answer to ? They’re not going to have a divas match at wrestlemania and if they do decided to to have one it will be announced two weeks before wrestlemania.Also wwe never knows which way they are going with the division. We’d be lucky if we do get a wrestlemania match.
Kelly tries to end the match with a rollup but Beth scouts it in time and yells ‘NOT THIS TIME, YOU SNEAKY CUNT”, and stomps on her face. Beth goes for the pin, and wins.
Kelly has to be taken out on a stretcher and vows to never do a rollup ever again.
adifferentsame Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
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Faye Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I’d PAY to see this happen! That’s right, no more bootleg streaming, haha.
Hope this match is as good as their other Superstars match. I still get the impression the backstage segments, the post-match staredowns. Eve/Kelly wrestling HS, etc. is all some sort of seed being planted. But with WWE’s history, we may just receive a huge Diva tag or Diva battle royal cluster match, so all the girls get a WM paycheck, anyway.
StephMC Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I so agree with u!! Apparently Maria Menoumos will have an angle at WM28 with the Divas so I guess we will not see Eve v K2 even though I really want to see that feud instead of Beth jobbing to a celebrity again.
I’m honestly not going to be surprised at the day WWE gets rid of the women’s division
Teri Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I personally would. They would receive a significant amount of backlash, their sponsors would be in jeopardy, and of course, their tertiary target market would suffer a big blow. As insignificant the divas division feels (ESPECIALLY to us non-casual viewers, who are essentially tracking the divas division’s progress week in and week out), it still plays an important role in the WWE landscape.
Faye Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Teri, I want you to know that everyone in this library hates me because of you! I howled maniacally at your first comment & I still can’t stop giggling to myself!
And not to be completely irrelevant, I agree that the WWE would not get rid of their women’s division. That would be asking for too much trouble.
Teri Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Faye Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Thanks for a great laugh, tho!
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I personally would rather have no women’s division than women who most of them can’t wrestle and who are objectified, given -2 minutes of TV time, are given no legitimate/well thought out storylines, who come out to songs about their looks, etc. the same stuff I’ve been saying. Unless they’re going to have a legitimate division, there’s really no point to it. If they want eye candy, just have them as interviewers/valets as it’s obvious they don’t care. And LOL at the Divas being important, don’t joke with yourself. They’re even lower on the WWE totem pole than tag teams :I.
Now, WWE just needs to put me & a veteran female wrestler in charge of the division! Haha. Maybe someday :P.
Teri Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Regardless of our own personal thoughts on how the division is treated, having the ‘diva’ product is imperative to reaching certain target audiences and ultimately assisting in establishing the WWE as the big, global machine that Vince clearly intended it to be.
Is the ‘womens division’ in a shit hole? Yes. Are the women given 45 second matches (as a median)? Yes. Are the divas being treated like third class citizens? Of course they are. All of this is common knowledge to many wrestling fans. The womens division is in awful shape.
But to say that you wouldnt be surprised to see Vince get rid of the division is quite ignorant. Right now your point of view is extremely narrow, and i would be quote on quote ‘surprised’ if you ever managed to decipher the picture in its entirety. There’s YOUR opinion (which is actually the same opinion you and i both share, along with every one else on DD, and then there are the opinions of everyone else. The only difference between you and a large portion of DD posters is that you seem to only be able to see things from a very small scope.
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Exactly. That’s why I said *I* wouldn’t be surprised. I never said anything about someone else’s opinion on this matter, ie “Everybody isn’t going to be surprised”. Stop getting so defensive.
Also the “target audience” is 1. People who find women attractive- If they want barely clothed women, they can go look at porn. If they want to see hot women in the ring, they should hire mostly attractive female wrestlers. If they want hot women on TV, have them be interviewers and valets. 2. Young girls/women who look up to them- They should have better role models. Women like Jenny Sjodin and Sara del Rey are the type of women they should be looking up to. Not Alicia Fox and Kelly Kelly.
My viewpoint isn’t narrow, I’m just saying the division sucks. A lot. Which is true. And I’m not happy about it :P And *I personally* think if a few board members wouldn’t throw a hissy fit if they got rid of the women, WWE would because the division serves no purpose.
Teri Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Actually, you are not a part of ANY of their primary target audiences, regardless of your demographics. You’re a part of their niche market, somethig that they do VERY little to cater to.
Teri Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
“My viewpoint isn’t narrow, I’m just saying the division sucks. A lot. Which is true. And I’m not happy about it :P And *I personally* think if a few board members wouldn’t throw a hissy fit if they got rid of the women, WWE would because the division serves no purpose.”
Actually, yes, you seem to be very narrow minded because you fail to see the big picture. You only come from your tight, narrow spot and fail to see or acknowledge things from other perspectives. All you ever do is copy and paste the exact same thing, day in and day out – which is exactly why everyone on DD finds you both ignorant and obnoxious as fuck. Even your fellow ‘i strictly love indy’ fans hate you, what does that say about you?
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
So what are their primary audiences they go for? What is the big picture?
And if anything is ignorant and obnoxious as fuck, it’s WWE’s sexism.
It’s not that I strictly love indy, I would love WWE if they could put on a good product.
Faye Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Teri, very true words!
And thank you for expanding upon the type of audience ILIW would fit into, because, the WWE makes it very clear that they couldn’t care less what “indie fans” want, lol!
Teri Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I love how you claim to NOT have a narrow mind, yet two sentences later you say this:
“…WWE would because the division serves no purpose”
Why does the division serve no purpose? Because it fails to satisfy your indy wrestling tastebuds? ahahahaha, please. Yet ANOTER prime example of how genuinely ignorant you are. Guess what? WWE doesnt run thir company on the basis that only several people (including yourself) are happy. As I stated earlier, this isn’t just another wrestling company, it’s a global machine powered by nothing more than money. As comical as this may sound given the piss poor state of the division, Vince and co. NEED the divas division to satisfy investors and a good chunk of their demographic.
Reality check, you are only ONE of the millions of individuals whom they have to cater to. You can preach about womens rights yadda yadda yadda yadda alllllllllll you want, but you are ultimately only a part of a very very small niche market.
Faye Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
“And if anything is ignorant and obnoxious as fuck, it’s WWE’s sexism.”
Is WWE’s inherent sexism ignorant & obnoxous? Yes, absolutely. Is it surprising? No, not at all. And let’s not forget that the WWE does not exist in a social vacuum. Everything you see on your T.V., WWE or otherwise, is an extension of a societal problem. We are really just viewing the ideas of men who have really backwards views on women.
Teri Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Umm, you DO realize that WWE’s “sexism” is only a reflection of today’s society, right?
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
John Hyperion said it right when asked “Do you think that WWE will ever treat women on the level that ACW & CHIKARA do and call them wrestlers, not divas?”
No. The company is sexist, racist, homophobic, and jingoistic because it’s run by a sexist, racist, jingoistic, homophobe and people who want to please him. Nothing is changing. - It really is sad. Like I’ve said, being the top company in the world, they should be held to a higher standard. Even TNA has been going towards WWE ways as of late. They should realize that they don’t need to go those ways in order to be successful.
I really wish that another company could get a worldwide TV deal, maybe CHIKARA, and then ROH can get a women’s division. If there was more distribution of those companies, I’d forget all about WWE. Hey, if you want to give me several million dollars, I’ll start my own company! Haha
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Yeah, society fucking sucks a lot
Sexism, homophobia, racism, it’s 2012, these things shouldn’t exist. The thing about wrestling, is it’s really in it’s own world and doesn’t have to be like that. To me, wrestling is an escape from reality. If you can make pretend these feuds are real the least you can do is make pretend the world is a better place than it is :P
Faye Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Excellent points, Teri!
Ilikeindiewrestling, I think you’ve misunderstood Teri’s comment. Despite the fact that the Divas Division is mishandled, it still represents a significant aspect of the WWE, at least symbolically.
“I personally would rather have no women’s division than women who most of them can’t wrestle and who are objectified….”
This, I’ve noticed, is the main theme in most of your posts regarding the Divas. First & foremost, you should understand that you clearly aren’t the target audience. If you don’t like what you see, look elsewhere, because you aren’t going to find indie-quality wrestling in the WWE (Divas Division). 2nd, the WWE isn’t just a wrestling company, they’ve been moving away from that label for quite some time. Third, I don’t know how long you’ve been a viewer of WWE programming, but the PG era has created a climate in which the Divas are less sexually objectified. Since the Divas were traditionally featured in sexually-themed content, they have less exposure now. Obviously, the writers have a difficult time trying to get the audience interested in the Division without sexually exploiting them on a weekly basis, or having them involved in some provocative story line (which is exactly what they have done to get Ms. Hoeski over). So, while I can appreciate your concern with how the WWE treats its female employees, you posts are very redundant, as your expectations are a tad bit unrealistic, considering the direction of the WWE in the past few years. Seriously, I can’t remember a time when the Divas WEREN’T eye-candy, lol! I think you should stick to your indie stuff, tbh.
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Okay, you said I’m not the audience they’re going for. I’m 21 and I’m attracted to women. That seems like the audience to me.
Aja Kong, Alundra Blayze, Bertha Faye, Bull Nakano, Ivory, Jazz, Noriyo Tateno/Itsuki Yamazaki (Jumping Bomb Angels), Wendi Richter, etc weren’t objectified.
But in my opinion, the top wrestling company in the world should have the best wrestling, and put on the best product.
Teri Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Wayyy before i managed to land a job in advertising, one of my professors would always say “if you find yourself unable to think like your target audiences, then you’ve got a problem”. In my opinion, excellent logic to apply to all areas of life.
Faye Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
I should have been more specific about what I meant when I said target audience, I apologize. I meant those who watch WWE casually & generally have no interest in the Divas Division. Basically, those who view Diva segments/matches as a piss break. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but the majority of viewers, although I’m not sure of the demographic stats, could be characterized by this. So, even though you fit in the male 18-40 age group that the WWE appeals to, your entertainment needs/desires do not fit that of the majority. I believe most people aren’t looking for indy style or level wrestling.
“But in my opinion, the top wrestling company in the world should have the best wrestling, and put on the best product.”
The WWE’s business model seems to be working for them…I don’t think they are going to call you up anytime soon to do any consulting for them, lol. Anyway, my point is, if your expectations were more realistic, you’d find yourself complaining less. So what if they are the top wrestling company? I wish there was some wrestling code of ethics that the WWE was forced to abide by, but there isn’t, so we have to deal with what they are producing. Either watch it, or find the entertainment you seek elsewhere. You’ll only be disappointed further if you think the WWE will do better, just because they are the biggest promotion in the industry.
And in regards to your list of women who were not objectified in their time with the WWE, I would argue that in the 12 or so years in which I have been a viewer of WWE programming, women have been primarily used in situations where they are sexually objectified/ exploited in some way. Most/ if not all, of the women you isted were given the freedom to showcase their talent b/c they were WRESTLERS. This applies more to women were brought in as models/ non-wrestlers & were hired for their appearance & sex-appeal. Are you really putting today’s crop of Divas to the same standard as the women you listed? I think even you would know not to expect the same from the likes of Kelly/the Bellas/Eve/Alicia.
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
-I’m female, but that’s beside the point -The reason the fans don’t care is because WWE has trained them not to. If they put time and effort in the division, they could make the fans get behind the women, even though it will take years, that’s sort of my point. If you want a bathroom break match, save that for the steroided bodybuilders. -Most people aren’t looking for that because a lot of the fans will take whatever WWE gives them. WWE could make the fans want to see that type of wrestling. Last time I checked they enjoy CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, and Dolph Ziggler matches -Yes, the business model is working for them, but so could a model more focused on wrestling -Hmmm, we need a wrestling governmental body. Good idea! Haha -No, I’m not putting them to the same standard, I’m putting the division to the same standard. WWE should be hiring women like those. Women that are attractive a can wrestle ie Jessie McKay, women that are good role model, ie Sara del Rey. It goes to show you that WWE can hire wrestlers and not just useless models.
If WWE can make a 375 pound horrible wrestler wear velvet suits and call him the Funkasaurus and get over, I’m sure they can make the women get over lol.
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Oh and Hiroyo Matsumoto, Jessicka Havok, Sara del Rey, Sarita, many women have a billion times more sex appeal to me than the Divas. I wouldn’t go for any of the divas, and the only one I find remotely attractive is Sofia Cortez. It’s all a matter of taste, as not everyone likes skinny models.
ilikeindywrestling Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
(first post there)
StephMC Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I actually understand all ur comments n agree with some of the points u made especially that the divas should be not used as eye-candy. Gawsh u dont knw how much I love Jessicka Havok, Mercedes Martinez and Sara Del Rey – I think that these Women’s Wrestlers will truly depict a better image of themselves in terms of championships and wrestling if they ever competed in WWE. Oh and @Faye i love ur points – very concise! I actually dont hate on the models but I am far more interested in girls like Sofia Cortez and Natalya. I guess WWE hires models these days for “popularity” and some “potential” to continue the previous era that Trish Stratus and Sable have solidified in their time. I think during the Moolah days and the time since Alundra Blayze debuted n then left were the best times WWE has had to offer. Even though Sable didn’t really wrestle in the ring as much, she was interesting as a heel but this is where the sex appeal towards the opposite sex first began. We should be happy that these useless bra and panties matches and bikini contests are out of the way. and although some Divas are “boring” to watch, I like seeing their improvements and how they grown before my eyes IMO. Usually, when I dislike the lack of respect the Divas get, I just watch the TNA Knockouts and Indy wrestlers. I really think WWE messed up the division after Mickie James, Victoria, Melina and Michelle McCool left.
Judging by the recent booking for the Divas, you wouldn’t believe Wrestlemania is right around the corner. I’ve no clue why they aren’t trying to build up the Kelly/Eve feud, since Beth/Kharma is obviously not going to happen. But then I remember that we haven’t had a respectable Divas bout at WM in ages.
It’s about time the champion made an appearance, shiiit! Although she is criticized for her boring title reigns, I absolutely LOVE Beth as champion. The whole concept behind this current reign would have been wonderful had they been consistent & allowed her to exhibit her dominance. When given the opportunity, Beth usually outshines most of her competition on the mic, in promos as well as in the ring (obviously). I CANNOT WAIT for her to smack Kelly’s flesh! I cried the first time she did that to the Bellas, lol! And, hopefully, Eve will interfere & give some much needed continuity here.
RayneWoman Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I love you sooo much FAYE!! You just took the words out of my head and into your comment. That is what I was trying to say to people, week in and week out, who have been saying that Beth is a boring champion. To me, she ain’t. And your reasons are exactly right. At least someone agrees with me. Thank you soo muchh!! <3
Faye Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
AWW!!!!!!!!!!<3 I heart you!!!!! NP, hun!
I know exactly how you feel! Boring is not how I'd describe Beth Phoenix. Whenever she is in a match, I am most certainly an entertained mofo, lol! Even in those short multi-Diva tag matches, Beth stands out to me, not only in terms of her wrestling, but in the way she interacts with her opponents and/or tag-partners. There is NOTHING boring about her in my eyes. Everything on her end is fine! What fails her is the poor booking & lack of consistency in her story lines. Also, I think she's pretty innovative in embodying the dominant, HBIC type character. I'm sure if Beth was given more creative control, she would silence her critics. Don't worry, Raynewoman, I get you! <3
StephMC Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
LOL I so agree with u! 100% agree with what both of u said. WWE booked Beth wrong and she is a good Divas Champion unlike previous girls.
Road Dogg said on his Twitter page that he was flying with some of the girls to shoot an angle on the set of Exta. Judging from last night, I’m gonna assume that Beth and probably Eve is involved and maybe will set up something at Wrestlemania.
StephMC Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
OMG I heard dat too but I found out the reason behind it because Maria Menoumos who does Extra will have some sort of angle at WrestleMania with the Divas. I knw Beth mite job to Maria again since they’re “hyping up their feud” at last night’s Diva segment with Eve. Then again, Im really thinking bout the feud between K2 and Eve and wonder if Nattie will have some sort of role too. WWE is too random at times, kind of sick when celebrities get their payday wen the Divas work hard for their WM moment but I guess we will see a Divas Tag Team match again.
redsandman99 Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Probably. My guess probably an 8 or 10 diva tag sinc with the exception of last year’s match, they’ve been getting almost all the girls on the show since Wrestlemania 23. I really would rather not see Beth get pinned AGAIN by Maria but given that it happened at Tribute to the Troops and Snooki of all people pinned Michelle last year, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it happened.
StephMC Reply:March 13th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Oh yes I agree. I think it will be like this… Kelly Kelly and Natalya versus Beth Phoenix and Eve (Special Guest Ref: Maria Menomous) or Maria, K2 , Alicia and Nattie vs. Beth, Eve and Bellas. I hope Layla comes back soon!
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