On this day in history:
September 17th, 2006 | For Trish Stratus‘s retirement match, there could be no better opponent than Lita. Their Women’s Title match at 2006′s Unforgiven served as the culmination of the Divas’ storied history and, fittingly, it was a highly competitive match. Finishers were reversed and kicked out of, and Trish had to break out the Sharpshooter to finally get the win. Lita tapped out and Trish ended her official career with one more Women’s Title victory to her name. The champ celebrated one last time, receiving a standing ovation from those around the ring.
What are your memories of this moment? Tell us in the comments!
72 Comments
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The promo for this match itself is amazing!
perceval Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
Yea, probably the best promo package for a women’s match, ever. It really captured the era that was ending.
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the greatest fued for the divas this was most def the best thing ever
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Before the naysayers claim that she got everything handed to her by Vince (as opposed to every other Diva who clearly didn’t win their titles in a scripted storyline heavily promoted by WWE brass), Trish deserved this send off. Trish Stratus redefined what a Diva should be. She was more than eye candy; she was smart, seductive, and could kick some serious ass. WWE has been looking for another Trish Stratus because she was the most popular, most beloved Diva. Every Diva aspires to be like Trish Stratus for a reason.
Kudos to Trish for finding a nice post-WWE life with her husband and Stratusphere. Even in retirement, she’s a role model to other Divas as how to behave post WWE.
javiousmckenzie Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
I love your comments but i do disagree with her being the most popular Lita, Sable & Chyna were way more over than Trish. Mickie the heel in the feud was becoming more over than Trish. I think Chyna Lita and Trish all 3 redefined what a diva should be Chyna showing they can be tough big strong inspiring women like Kharma, Jazz, Victoria, Beth. Lita showing they can be themself a tomboy a rebel a high flyer the girl next door inspiring women like AJ, Trinity and Paige. Trish showing you can have model looks and be eye candy but be tough as nails and overcome any obstacle inspiring women like Michelle, Candice, Eve and the list goes on. But i agree on Trish deserving everything given to her she earned it all.
ajfan83 Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
I’ll give you Lita, Sable, and Chyna, but Mickie? Please. Name me ONE memorable thing she did after the Trish feud. Besides being run out of WWE after months of fat jokes. What an overrated performer. She can’t even get booked on TNA shows anymore. Let her keep begging her fans for money and singing crappy country songs at bars.
javiousmckenzie Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
I dont have to name you anything no matter what she doing she doing more than you still relevant still one of the most decorated females in the sport and still a future legend. And the real shade is that your username gives me that your a AJ fan and this is someone who clearly channels Mickie. Stay pressed mad unimportant and delayed while you scrape the coins to get that cable back on cause clearly your still without it on a blog site looking to have a war of words with anyone to keep yourself entertained
flash1086 Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
Trish was just as popular as Sable, Chyna and Lita if not more. Yes, those 3 got some huge pops but Trish was cleary already surpassing Lita’s pops in late-2001 when she became a wrestler. Trish was even getting cheered as heel. And she got the biggest wrestlemania crowd reaction in diva HISTORY in wrestlemania 19.
perceval Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Yeah, Sable, Chyna, and Lita were huge… for shorter periods. Sable was hugely popular for two years, Chyna for a couple, Lita for five before Matt Hardy made it his mission in life to destroy her career. You also have to take into account that year and a half Lita was on the shelf during a vital time in the development of the Women’s Division.
Sable made the women marketable in their own right, to the point the Women’s Championship was revived because of her popularity, but she wasn’t the woman you were going to be able to build a real Division around. Chyna was popular, for a time, but, at the end of the day, she was just a novelty act.
Lita opened doors for women wrestlers, far more than Chyna. What might have happened had she not had the neck injury? We’ll never know. The Women’s Division was building when that happened. By the time she got back, everything had changed.
Trish sustained her connection with the fans from her arrival in March of 2000 until she left in September of 2006. It was during the Trish-Molly and, especially, the Trish-Victoria feuds of 2002 that what most thought couldn’t be done happened: Women’s wrestling moved from being a novelty act to an upper card draw in it’s own right. Even Lita thought this could never be done, seeing herself as mainly Matt’s valet who worked matches here and there, at the time. But, as Ivory said, Trish “put it together and made it happen.”
The hard hitting Women’s Division became one of Raw’s main features. This carried over into 2003 and Jazz’s return from injury, leading to a classic series with Trish. Then, Gail Kim debuted. THEN, Lita returned, and her career reached it’s high point. But, most of that was with Trish, and because Trish had built the Division for her to thrive in. Finally, she had the platform to do more than just run in and interfere with Hardy Boyz matches, leaving her fans wanting more, and wishing she’d have the opportunity. She’s the second greatest Diva, ever. The Diva brand hit it’s high point with Trish & Lita, and it’s decline began when they left. Together, they were the Dream Team. OK, that was Trish & Stacy Lynn, but for the Diva brand, it was Trish & Lita. :)
As for Mickie, yeah, she was popular, probably the most popular woman wrestler since Trish & Lita retired. But, more popular than Trish? You know better than that. She got very over, like so many others, with the Trish Rub, but notice she was NEVER as over as when she was working with Trish. Maybe she should have kept jumping around in short skirts and thongs while trying to make out with the other Divas. :)
I’ll add, though, that I’m as puzzled as you are as to why someone calling themselves “AJFan” constantly bashes the woman AJ clearly modeled her own style and persona on. That’d be like a Kelly fan bashing Torrie Wilson, or a Brooke Tessmacher fan bashing Candice Michelle.
Back to subject, though… An era ended, but it’s legacy lives on, in the Knockouts, SHIMMER, WSU, EVE, and every other Women’d Division and promotion that has come since the Golden Era of Divas.
ajfan83 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
@Perceval
Thanks for another one of your “Golden Era” essays. It’s been far too long, maybe a week or two, since I saw one of them on this site.
I never even bring AJ in to these topics, but if you have to compare her to Mickie, all I’ll say is this: it took AJ five months to become more significant than Mickie was in her five year WWE career, which got cut short because of her ego problems and thinking she was bigger than she was, like so many divas before her. I bash Mickie because she’s overrated and formulaic in the ring, and for someone supposedly so popular, she can’t even get TV time in a second rate promotion like TNA anymore. But I’m supposed to like her because she “created” the crazy female persona in wrestling?
And what real legacy did Trish leave behind? You bring up fan connection, always ignoring that she can’t even pop a crowd in Toronto nowadays. The title she brought so much “prestige” to doesn’t even exist anymore, destroyed in favor of a Barbie accessory. And you mention a bunch of women promotions that I have never even heard of, that probably barely break even.
I think people like Melon and yourself need to get off the Trish train and come back to reality. Stop deluding yourselves that she’s some female Rock that transcended the business and represents WWE so well in the mainstream. She’s a D-lister in Canada, with a bunch of no-name magazines to her name, a yoga studio, and one direct to DVD movie. For a WWE diva that’s better than most, but why must you act like she’s so much more than that?
But I’m done with this topic. Let the ass kissing resume.
perceval Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
@ “AJFAN”
You know better that that. It’s not just playing a crazy character, but the skipping, the blowing a kiss at her fallen opponent, etc. Trying to claim otherwise…
Well, I’ve suspected you’ve just been trolling for a while.
norisclouds Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
What makes you think people are being jealous of Trish Stratus? Has it ever occurred to you that both ladies have large groups of fans and the Lita fans just get pissed off when they see Lita’s accomplishments diminished? I’m sure Amy Dumas herself doesn’t care, but I think it’s pretty silly to lump Lita fans in with “jealousy” just as dumb as it is to lump Trish fans in as “delusional”.
BillyGP Reply:
September 19th, 2012 at
Trish is or was as popular or more popular then Chyna and Sable and is on the same level as Lita. Trish has a legacy and if AJFan83 sees it or not hell the ROCK even called Trish the female verison of himself. and yes Trish still can get pops still better then any current diva.
As for Mickie she far from overrated and is very popular. Mickie had a following before her WWE debut and still has one. I like AJ but she no way more over or better then Mickie.
ajfan83 Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at
@BillyGP
Rock never called Trish the female version of him. She labels herself that, once again overrating her own popularity. And no, she doesn’t get pops anymore. Neither does Lita, really, and neither would any other diva that’s been gone for more than a couple of years. They have no staying power/legacy. Sad but true.
I never said Mickie doesn’t have fans, she does, but it doesn’t make her a draw. AJ was one of the most talked about performers this year, male or female, landing tons of interviews. Mickie, even at her peak during the Trish feud, didn’t get that sort of attention. And ever since then she hasn’t been relevant at all outside of the IWC.
litafan2000 Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
I agree with Melon on some points, but I have to disagree Trish was not the most popular diva of all time. Her crowd response was nowhere near the likes of Sunny, Sable, Chyna and Lita but she would be in the top five. Trish worked her ass off to get where she was in the wwe and she along with Lita redefined the word Diva. Other than that I agree with you.
art Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
“Trish Stratus because she was the most popular, most beloved Diva. Every Diva aspires to be like Trish Stratus for a reason. ”
what absolute shit…lita was more popular,sold more merchandise & even got a top ten autobiography….Bias trish mark much…..
alot of women want to be like lita she did more for women than trish ever did….
art Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
sunny sable & chyna were way more over as well…
perceval Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Big shock, the Haters can’t see the words “Trish Stratus” without getting their knickers in a twist. Of course, the Haters know Trish deserves all the praise she gets, which makes them hate her all the more.
Y’know, Lita isn’t jealous towards her best friend. Why must some of you be on her behalf?
AfroJack Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
LOL at Sunny being more over.
BillyGP Reply:
September 19th, 2012 at
Tris was more over then Sunny,Sable,and Chyna.Trish also sold merchandise as for the book Trish never wrote one to be in a top ten. A lot want to be like Trish also who did a lot for women in the WWE.
flash1086 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Trish is the most popular diva of all-time. She was the highest paid women in diva HISTORY.
norisclouds Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
And where did you read that? We have no idea what anyone was paid backstage. The lists floating around the internet are rumors. The only person who’s ever spoken on it has been Meltzer, and that’s one man’s word. Contracts are confidential as a matter of legal necessity. If I had to guess, I’d say Stephanie McMahon was the highest paid on the roster during that time.
The K@rmic HeeL Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
Quote Melon (Trish Stratus because she was the most popular, most beloved Diva. Every Diva aspires to be like Trish Stratus for a reason. )
Errr ummm …are you serious? You can’t be? You’re a good poster, but sometimes its hard to take you serious when you rewrite history like this.
First of all many women have said they got into wrestling because of Lita and this includes Beth Phoenix. Besides, there are other women who inspire to become divas im sure of it. Second, Trish the most beloved Diva? She was never the most popular with the fans, very popular yes, but Id say Lita, Sable Chyna and at times Mickie James commanded more fan response than Trish. Perhaps though, she was very popular with management. I think that is more accurate.
As far as this match I loved it, but I would have had them dramatize more. Lita hitting the moonsault and Trish kicking out of it. Lita doing her submission and Trish fighting out of it. Also, I would have had Lita dress in better clothes with her thong only a more evil look. This match was very symbolic as it closed out their era…I would have made it a tad longer. And finally have Lita shake her hand and walk away sorta crying or something.
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These two had the best chemistry out of mostly anyone in the WWE in so many ways they were the female Rock and Steve Austin as far as how there paths always seem to cross and when it did it was EPIC. It was so fresh to see Trish as the face as she had been the heel in the feud for that lasted almost there whole career i would have liked them to at least mention that Trish at one point was the instigator. But this was such an amazing moment Trish truly was the best that ever did it.
at
One of the best fueds ever! I wanted to cry watching this when I was a youngster, I knew that Lita would go not long after Trish did
at
Trish retired to the WWE in a great way with the person she’s been feuding with basically through out her career Lita.
I usually claim this match the beginning of the downfall of the women’s division but I still feel like the wwe divas can survive without Lita & Trish just waiting for WWE to give the divas a chance.
Just saw a tweet Lita exchange to Trish about sending flowers to Trish.
litafan2000 Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
I just notice that trish beat Lita in her first match and in her last match. Lol
T&A and trish vs Lita and Hardy boyz.
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When trish sat down on that sharpshooter at the end i thought she broke Lita’s back…..
WweLitafan4ever Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
true
AfroJack Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
*sigh*
norisclouds Reply:
September 20th, 2012 at
well, it is true. it even made its way into a botchamania video.
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WWE had so many and have so many chances to make a feud with the divas on this level they had
Beth vs Kharma
Gail vs Kharma
Mickie vs Melina
Beth vs Natalya
Paige vs Sofia
Paige vs Sara Del Rey (if signed)
Sara vs Beth or Natalya
AJ vs Eve
I mean there are so many more but WWE seem to not give a damn
LadyGoDiva Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
I still believe they do have a chance to make great feuds just like Lita vs Trish unless they pull they’re heads from their asses.
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It was a good match and good moment, but I always hated how WWE treated this like the death of the division itself. Before some Trish mark says “It was!!!”, remember that in wrestling, perception is reality. They let Trish walk away with the title and had everyone say “nobody is going to be as good as her”, and so nothing that came after would really matter. And it became a self fulfilling prophecy. The divas that followed had to live in her shadow because WWE CREATED that shadow. It’s never a good idea to make someone seem bigger than the divison/company. It bit them in the butt with Trish, just like it has when guys like Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Lesnar walked out.
That all being said, she deserved it more than the Sable’s and Chyna’s of the world. They might have been more over at their peak, but they were also prima donnas, and in Chyna’s case, a total headcase. Lita got a raw deal, but she seems well adjusted now. And the likes of Mickie and Melina deserved to go out like chumps. Two overrated backstage cancers that have faded in to obscurity since leaving WWE. Mickie can’t even get booked on TNA shows anymore and Melina is taking the bookings that Tammy Sytch turned down. Ha!
melon2617 Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
To be fair, Trish leaving with the belt had less to do with “the end of the era” and more to do with “lots and lots of press.” Trish had booked her own exit with a loss @ Summerslam, but with her wedding generating buzz in Canada and ET Canada’s week long special dedicated to her wedding, Vince McMahon saw a lot of free press for his PPV. All of a sudden Trish’s wedding special became “Trish’s Retirement special” and Vince got a lot of buzz in Canada for the PPV.
I don’t think WWE was thinking of the death of the Women’s division, just the $$$ that came with all of that free press. I don’t think they realized that Trish was the Atlas of the Women’s Division, carrying it often on her blonde shoulders alone. When there was a lag in the division, the belt went back on Trish. Of course, the departures of Stacy and Lita didn’t help either. It was more a matter of every major player in the women’s division left within months of each other, leaving no new stars in their place.
javiousmckenzie Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
You so pressed can you get booked at Chucky Cheese? Where your boss where yo check?
ajfan83 Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at
@JavoisMcKenzie
You act like I don’t have a life, meanwhile you’re the one replying to all my comments. Pottle, kettle, black. And speaking of Chucke Cheese, isn’t that where Mickie’s next concert is being held?
@Melon
Did you not watch the video right before the match? It was basically an “in memoriam” to the diva division. If you don’t think that was the end in WWE’s mind, you aren’t paying attention. And I wish you would stop using Trish’s post-WWE career as proof that she was the most popular diva ever. As others have pointed out, she wasn’t. Sable, Chyna and Lita were the big three in terms of crowd approval. Trish and Sunny are about even. Her being the most succesful outside of wrestling has more to do with her connections in the fitness and modeling industries than her WWE credentials. That would be like saying Brock Lesnar was a bigger WWE star than Hulk Hogan because his UFC career trumps Hogan’s non-wrestling endeavors. Twisted logic. You also seem to overrate her fame. Now if you live in Toronto I could see why you though that. But outside of Ontario, she’s hardly a celebrity. She was completely overshadowed by Snooki last year and none of the media outlets even mentioned her name. If she was the star you claim she is that wouldn’t have happened.
fatima Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
@AJFAN
Did you just called an other user “black” in a racial matter ?
As in being black is an insult ?
I don’t care what’s your culture, color or how many friends or people you know of that are black, asian, espanic etc. You, do not have the rights to say nor believe that you are superior then any other human being,
I may have missunderstood your statement so I do give you the benefit of the doubt and appologize if I offended you.
Getting back on topic, “who’s the most over Diva” is a matter of perception after all since there isn’t any tangible data out there that can prove without any reasonable doubt that “this” or “that” diva is or was the most beloved female of all times.
melon2617 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Popularity is subjective. Trish Stratus was THE Diva for much longer periods than Chyna, Lita or Sable. Trish won the most fan votes, Trish is still THE Diva. Revisionist history is downplaying that Trish Stratus was the women’s division for five years .Trish rose to the top and stayed there while Sable was an attraction for a little while and it was for getting naked. Chyna was a novelty act for wrestling men. Lita was often seconded by a male wrestler and very rarely, if ever worked alone. Trish Stratus was popular on name recognition alone. The video package was documenting the end of the storied career of Trish Stratus, not necessarily “The Women’s Division is dead and gone.” There were countless other women who could have stepped up and become the next Trish, but none of them had the Trish “it” factor. As for many Divas aspiring to be more like Trish, like Melina, K2, Eve Torres, et al who have credited Trish as their inspiration, Jealous Lita stans all claim WWE forces them to claim Trish is their hero. Why wouldn’t people look up to Trish? She trained on her own time, with the guys, took serious bumps and became a superstar in front of our very eyes. She went from plucky underdog to force to be reckoned with and she looked damn good doing it. Her mic skills were some of the best of any Diva in history and she has some of the most memorable moments in WWE history. The others may have gotten bigger pops or sold more T-shirts for a month or two, but Trish Stratus WAS the most beloved Diva in history.
As for her fame, I work in media. In media, we lead with infamy. That’s why “if it bleeds, it leads.” While Trish is beloved across Canada, that’s Canada. Clearly the Associated Press is going to print a story about the Snooki, star of the international hit Jersey Shore over Trish Stratus, except for ET Canada, which of course showed Snooki being trained by Trish Stratus. It could have been Snooki with Lita, Snooki with the Rock, Snooki with an Andre the Giant hologram and Snooki would have led. That’s why Vince hired her! Trish’s yoga studio is constantly in the news for it’s charity work, for the number of MMA fighters who have started training there, the Toronto Maple Leafs do yoga there now, many pro golfers as well. Trish Stratus is leading fitness in public schools, encouraging healthy lifestyle and better physical education programs and she’s still gracing magazine covers. She’s turned herself into a brand and a darn good one. You don’t hear about her getting arrested, driving with a suspended liscence, going on drug benders or being named in (yet another) adulterous affair with a WWE Superstar. Trish is a role model to Divas on how to build a post-WWE career without drugs or arrests or anything to look bad in the eyes of the fans. Why does Trish constantly need to be put down to make the others look better?
javiousmckenzie Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
AJ an idk for someone uninterested in Mickie you seem to keep up with her where abouts and sweetie i rarely comment and when i do you seem to pick me out but this aint what you want. Its clear that you dont have a life your a fat pressed uneducated lonely alienated socially awkward reject obsessed with Diva Dirt and picking out commenters who you think are black and entertain yourself behind that computer eating cool ranch doritos surrounded by soda cans pizza boxes and cats chasing rats you could never come for me when you get some sort of job besides stalking women wrestlers and listening to lets light it up hoping to lose a few pounds as you do jump and jacks bringing down the house chile let me stop before i get blocked i will read this bitch into a quandary and diva dirt should have been blocked you a long time ago cause all you do is get on here bash every female in the sport and make racial comments and like i said harass black commenters i have no clue why your even still allowed on this site i guess they know if they block it what would your life become
ajfan83 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Pot calling the kettle black is an old saying. It means someone is accusing you of something they are guilt of themselves. Nothing racial at all. I guess morons with horrible grammar can’t be expected to know that though.
And lol at Trish fans accusing everyone of being “haters” or “Lita fans” because they don’t like her. She wasn’t the most popular diva ever, not by a long shot, and you can’t prove she was, outside of fake titles and polls that were usually rigged in her favor.
AfroJack Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
@MELON2617 thank you!!! Couldn’t have said it better myself!
perceval Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
The video package was just honoring the end of a great career, nothing more, nothing less. It was no more about the end of the Women’s Division than HBK’s and Flair’s retirements were about the end of the Men’s Division.
The obvious intent was for Mickie to step into Trish’s spot. That’s what she’d been groomed for for almost a year, at that point. On Raw, the next night, she took up the feud with Lita right where Trish left off.
fatima Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
@AJFAN
Ma belle, il y a une énorme difference entre ne pas connaître ses règles grammaticales et parler une toute autre langue, mais ça tu ne le sais pas ?
Saving you the google translating trouble
Just so you know, there’s a huge difference between not knowing proper grammar and speaking two langages but that you surrely weren’t aware of it ?
Oh one more thing, my sentence starts out with “Ma belle” but that’s a commun expression that doesn’t always apply to the person you’re refering your thoughts to ….
If only “Morons” and “Trolls” were banned from this site… though, I’ll give them credit, they make topics a bit more zesty
ajfan83 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
@Fatima
I wasn’t calling you a moron. It was directed at JaviousMcKenzie.
javiousmckenzie Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
AJFAN has no life that is clear as day im sure your parents regret the day they had you i bet your grandparents regret having them for producing such a disgrace for a grandchild little jimmy im on your mind 24/7 where is your check besides the one that you get on the 1st im sure Melanie is not paying you to comment
at
I’m not getting into a whole debate because it’s pointless and changes nothing. I thought it was a fantastic match and the way it should have ended. On and off screen these two women have meant a lot to each other so it was a great thing to see. I’ve always been more of a Lita fan but I like Trish so I’ll never take anything away from her. Personally for me diminishing someone because they aren’t your favorite is really dumb.
at
Sheesh. There can’t be a Trish post on here anymore without some kind of argument breaking out.
The K@rmic HeeL Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Lita & Trish that is.
I like Trish too ya know, but its just so annoying how some people try to make her out to be the most popular when clearly she wasn’t. Rewriting history like JR did here in this match (suddenly tying Moolah and Trish as 6 time women’s title holders o_0 ) is just silly. Ive said it before…she was popular with management and her peers, but others like Sable, Lita, Chyna and arguably Mickie evoked stronger crowd responses than her. Not counting Canada. I love Trish and shes in my top five, but no way was she more popular than the other divas i mentioned. I mean youtube for crying out loud. If you still can’t logically see it, then I question your sanity.
flash1086 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Trish IS the most popular diva in history IMO. Trish was clearly surpassing Lita’s popularity BEFORE Lita’s neck injury. You dont believe me? Check-out the 6-pac challenge when Trish won her first title. It was LITA’S HOMETOWN for godsake yet Trish got the biggest reaction. And ever since Trish was rivalring Lita’s populary or sometimes surpassing it. That was during a time when Lita was out-poping Chyna at Judgment Day. And Mickie??? LOL!!! She wishes that she gets near the crowd reaction that Trish was getting every night. Not even close. And Trish is BY FAR the highest paid diva in history.
norisclouds Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
@FLASH10866
“Trish was clearly surpassing Lita’s popularity BEFORE Lita’s neck injury. You dont believe me? Check-out the 6-pac challenge when Trish won her first title. It was LITA’S HOMETOWN for godsake yet Trish got the biggest reaction.”
FLAT OUT LIE. Re-watch that match and the response she got that night and the next night during her first title defense. I could agree with some of the other things you’re saying, but this is just not true at all. Lita was without a doubt the most popular diva during that time, tied or second only to the great Chyna. You are kidding yourself with that one.
It took until about 2002 for Trish’s star to really take off, and even then her reactions did not match what Lita would get routinely even outside of her hometown.
flash1086 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
When it comes to mainstream. Yes, Chyna is no1 and Trish is no2 with Torrie, Sable and Stacy right behind them. Anyone who dont know anything about wrestling, all of those names will come before they know who Lita is. It term of crowd reaction. Chyna had horrible crowd reaction at judgement day compare to Lita’s. The Raw that your talking about, Lita indeed got bigger crowd reaction than Trish but at survivor series, Trish had the bigger crowd reaction. I just watched it again.
The K@rmic HeeL Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Flash, I’m sorry but it seems like you’ve got something reffered to as, “selective hearing.” Trish never surpassed Lita’s popularity. The only places I recall her getting louder pops was in Toronto, but that didn’t include all of Canada. They got about the same crowd response after Mania X8 in RAW and Lita a bigger one the next night on Smackdown for a tag match against Jazz and Ivory. Lita was actually the highest paid diva for two years before Trish next to Stephanie ofcourse. Then she broke her neck and Trish kinda took over, but I understand why Trish was getting paid more, she was around longer without injury.
I don’t know…this is getting ridiculous. Trish mainstream in Canada sure, but only Canada I hate to say. I mean personally, id rather get Trish than Jillian Michaels here in the USA. Stratusfaction all the way! :-)
flash1086 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
I think that your the one with selective hearing. Trish got a MUCH bigger crowd reaction in that tag-match on Smackdown versus Ivory and Jazz. Watch it again. And even after Trish won the match, the crowd exploded more than Lita’s victory in her hometown when she won the title against Trish.
redsandman99 Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
Does all this really matter? Seriously. Who cares at this point. Nobody’s getting a prize and clearly nobody’s going to agree. It’ll just go round and round and round again.
norisclouds Reply:
September 20th, 2012 at
No, she really wasn’t. Not at that time at all. She really hit her peak years later, but to say she was getting pushed at that point and won the title because she was more over than Lita is ridiculous, considering Lita was the one who had actual merchandise and a DVD about her at the time and Trish had nothing yet-aside from the diva calendar pictorials. Lita had also just come off of her cover on the Diva magazine, which was a big deal considering the former cover girls were Sable, Debra etc…
I’m not disputing whether or not Trish was great, a wonderful performer or over, but what you’re saying for that time frame of her first title win is just not true at all. Sorry but it’s not.
BillyGP Reply:
September 19th, 2012 at
Trish was more popular then those you mentioned except maybe Mickie and on the same level as Lita.
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oh and of course we can’t have one Trish article without the Lita marks coming on her and demeaning her any chance they get!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, who are you to say they’re own person opinion is wrong? If someone likes Trish, or if someone likes Lita, then that’s fine, but to hate someone for it is just pathetic.
I hate Justin Bieber, disgrace to the music industry, but I’m not going to call someone names if they like him, and although I highly disagree that he is the best musician ever (as his fans think) I’m not going to tell them all off for thinking that.
You guys are just as bad as the Kelly Kelly haters……… seriously get a life!!
Lita was a bad wrestler anyway….. always botching that moonsault… I’ll take Ivory any day!!
AfroJack Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at
..and lmao at “rigged polls” yeah ok people this is WWE not the VMAs.
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and AJFAN83 honey you need to wise up you’re making yourself look like a fool thinking AJ is better than any other Diva, so because she gets a better crowd reaction than Mickie (not true btw) and Michelle McCool that makes her better????? LOL smart logic..
The K@rmic HeeL Reply:
September 19th, 2012 at
You’re one of the regular Lita haters, no one takes you serious Lol. Lita was the most popular diva, bar none, sorry Trish psychos lol. :-P
AfroJack Reply:
September 19th, 2012 at
oh lol. Don’t even get me started on you..
Trish psychos?? umm who started the argument on here?!?! yeah exactly!!
Sable & Chyna were WAY more popular than Lita. Fans thought because Lita could fluff her way through a match with a headscissors and then a botched moonsault that made her the best female wrestler in WWE. haha yeah right.. and apparently Lita is the inspiration for young females??? DUI doesn’t scream inspiration to me.
Ivory and Molly Holly deserved their pushes more than Lita, the two of them were 100x better wrestlers.. and multiple Divas have even said Lita was hard to work with.
The K@rmic HeeL Reply:
September 19th, 2012 at
Dude you keep doing it again and again, you’re pathetic for embelishing things. But I think most people here are keen on your pathetic basher attitude. Ivory is bitter about everything, she complained about Jackie, she seemed bitter about Trish, she hated Chyna, she complained about Triple H, the list goes on and on…
Molly said Lita was a pleasure to work with after she returned from injury and even said that Lita was by far the most popular. She said that she didn’t have to work hard at being a heel with Lita because even with pulling Lita’s hair and the fans were all over her. Molly was even sweet enough to dcefend Lita for the love triangle situation. So yea, you’re wrong again.
Lita didn’t get a DUI, so this just shows how ignorant and ill say it, Stupid you are dude. Sorry but its true.
Lita is has more charisma than the other divas you mentioned, that is why she is remembered and the others forgotten, don’t hate the player hate the game. Lita rules, you don’t..JR quote, “That is just too bad!”
B-)
Ryan Reply:
September 20th, 2012 at
litas moon daily wasn’t “botched”
She somehow could put style and flexibility into that somersault, not even dudes can do that
Litas moonssaultwas unique
Looked like she would shoot out of the turnbuckle
AfroJack Reply:
September 20th, 2012 at
Lita has more charisma than any Diva OH LOL. Not even gonna reply anymore, LOL LOL LOL!!
+ Ivory was never bitter about Trish or HHH, she praised them actually. She had reason to complain about Lita, Chyna and Jackie, Chyna was awful in the ring, Lita was sloppy and botched and she only criticed Jackie’s DDTs because she was too rough when executing them.
call me whatever you want, I know what kind of person I an, my friends know who I am, and some dickhead on the Internet shouldn’t judge me… how I act online is different to how I act in person
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Meh match was pretty good crowd was nuts for trish haha
Hey I’m glad Trish left she deserved the proper exit! She payed her dues gave all her heart to WWE when it was worth it Trish will forever be one of if not the greatest women’s champion in WWE. Seriously nine of her matches have ever been disappointing. She took insane hits and stunts got up took some more this chic waned her keep. Congrats and thanks for the awesome ride trish. Btw not a fan of this match..
And a fuck you in advance to the naysayers ;)
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By the way also a HUGE Sable Lita and Mickie James fan and fact is yeah these girls had way bigger reaction than Trish not takin that away but come on, this is Trishs retirement match so like don’t sweat it guys
Each girl was and is awesome in their own awesome way and style
Trish in her early days was incredibly hot!! Very thick and yummy!
I think someone who matches Trish in the ring is go with Candice Michelle Brooke and Michelle McCool
The K@rmic HeeL Reply:
September 20th, 2012 at
Thank you, finally someone who can admit it. Yes I’m a big Trish Stratus fan too, yet I can say like it is. Trish was not the most popular diva, she was on the same level as maybe Sunny and Mickie James in terms of crowd response. Sable got the biggest reactions, but I personally believe it was because she was there during the peak of the attitude era. When she returned for example, her pops were big still, but slowly they began to diminish greatly.
Chyna would only sometimes get big reaction, bigger than Trish, but they weren’t always consistent.
Lita on the other hand, she was arguably the most popular for the longest time. Even as a heel she was so over, perhaps for the real life drama that was exposed on TV though.
Trish had a better career as far as getting several titles. She consistently got better and only stale towards the end, but thankfully she retired perfectly in her hometown. I will always have a great deal of respect for Trish, but I won’t admit to things that aren’t true just to make her seem like some goddess or something. I think she was very well liked by management and well, I don’t blame her. She worked harded and she networked and she built her name and her image and brand. Can’t fault her for being a smart business woman.
ajfan83 Reply:
September 20th, 2012 at
@TheKharmicHeel
You put down other people for being “Trish marks”, yet you’re the biggest Lita fanboy on this site. And unless people agree with your opinion 100%, something must be wrong with them. Here’s the truth about Lita: she was the most popular diva from 2000 until about 2002. Once she got injured she never was again. You seem to forget that outside of her title match with Trish, she was mostly stuck in horrible angles with Kane and Snitsky during her second run. And then fans booed her for the better part of two years, which led to her quitting.
If Lita is as popular as you say she is, how come it hasn’t translated in to anything she’s done after leaving? I mean Sable got offers in the late 90s, as did Chyna. Trish still gets plenty of work in Canada. Stacy Keibler and Torrie Wilson have posed for magazines. Some non-wrestling fans have heard of those five, but not Lita. Why is that?
The K@rmic HeeL Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at
Uhhh, rewriting history again I see? Lol. Sorry but I refuse to agree with something that simply isn’t true. Lita might have been stuck in “Horrible angles” as you say, but then again they were getting pretty big ratings at the time. I was never bragging that Lita got offers outside of WWE, I don’t care about that and neither does Lita I’m sure. Since you bring it up though, there were projects Lita was contacted for, but because she isn’t a major attention whore like you inadvertantly make Trish to be, she wouldn’t brag about it, there’s really no need to.
I love how some of you haters feel the need to bring Lita down to build Trish up. Its hilarious because it spells out the blind passion you have for Trish, who by the way, yea I like her, but she wasn’t all that lol. And sorry she was not the most popular. The proof is in the videos of their matches. Why some people have refused to admit it will always be a mystery to some I suppose, but I think its the green eyed monster called envy. Something I don’t understand too since they’re best friends. Trish might be the most decorated diva and most liked by management backstage, but Lita is undisputably, the most popular and that is the truth. :-)
ajfan83 Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at
@KarmicHeel
First of all, it’s pretty well known that I don’t like Trish. So to act like I’m some blind mark for her proves you don’t actually pay attention to anything people say unless it relates to your “queen”. Oh, and saying other people bring someone down to build up their favorite… isn’t that what you do EVERY time someone suggests a diva not named Lita is the most popular woman in the history of the world? It’s funny how you claim to like Trish, then talk about how inadequate she is, but as soon as someone bad mouths Lita, you’re like “why are we even doing this when they are friends?” And what exactly does Trish have to envious of Lita about? That she got a better pop ten years ago? Live in the present, pal. BTW, it’s easy to say Lita isn’t an “attention whore” just because she doesn’t actually get any offers. That’s a perfect example of knocking someone else’s success to make your favorite look better.
But I digress. You Lita fanatics are probably the biggest losers on this site. You’re the type of person that lives in a basement, goes on Youtube all day posting pro-Lita comments (usually on Trish videos), and then giving yourself 100 thumbs ups. You can’t accept the fact that she’s basically a used up wrestling skank that hasn’t been relevant in nearly a decade. Oh, and please take off the Halloween costume or whatever silly getup you have in your avatar.
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Christ! There’s always a fight breaking out on this site now! What ever happened to agreeing to disagree and HEALTHY debates? Do we really need to be fighting and arguing all the damn time? Sheesh! Have SEVERAL seats!