This Week in History: Lita Gets Busted Open, DQed, Dumped & Fired, Divas Pay Tribute to Eddie Guerrero & More

Welcome to Diva Dirt’s This Week in History, where each week we’ll take a look back at some of the most memorable moments in women’s wrestling from years gone by.

So, join us in taking a trip down memory lane…

November 19th, 2000 | At 2000’s Survivor Series, a relatively normal Women’s Title match between Lita and Ivory turned unforgettable when the heel of Ivory’s boot cut open Lita’s forehead. As the match progressed, her face became more and more obscured by her blood, and though Lita fought valiantly, Ivory managed to squeak out a victory and retain her title. In one of the most iconic images in Diva history, Lita received a standing ovation from the crowd as the referee helped her to the back.

What are your memories of this classic moment? Tell us in the comments…

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  • oppi89

    Survivor Series Lita vs Ivory was the very first wrestling match i watched in full & i’ve been hooked ever since!

    • oppi89

      well to womens wrestling at least

  • Tamms

    Wow Lita has had quite a month of november lol

    • Tamms

      or quite a week lol I notice she is in several of these lol.

    • perceval

      Strange little statistic: Lita went 0-5 at Survivor Series. She could just never win there, losing twice to Trish and once each to Ivory, Molly, and Mickie.

      • OvSeven

        Yeay lita had 0-5 at ss
        Ever since she lost the title to ivory she never won it again till 2004
        She wasn’t lucky enough at ss

      • Taylor

        It’s also interesting that Lita retired at the pay-per-view that she never won at and Trish retired at the pay-per-view she was undefeated at. I also think it’s interesting that Trish won a vacated title and then left it vacated when she left as champion. So many weird moments like this in that era!

        • WWFoverWWE

          Trish’s bad luck PPV was Backlash. Just like Lita couldn’t catch a break at SS, Trish couldn’t catch a break at Backlash.

          Backlash 2000- Trish was put through a table Bubba Ray Dudley.

          Backlash 2002- Trish was attacked by Molly before the match and then lost to Jazz.

          Backlash 2003- Trish lost the womens championship to Jazz.

          Backlash 2004- Trish teamed up with Christian and lost to Chris Jericho.

          Backlash 2005- Viscera squashes Trish and injures her.

          Backlash 2006- Trish dislocates her shoulder in her match against Mickie james.

  • perceval

    Survivor Series (and the build to it) provided so many memorable moments for the Women’s Division.

    2001: The start of the Golden Era. The Championship had just taken six months off to recover from Chyna’s disappointing reign, and the gold and red belt’s history had been spotty before that. Sure, it had been worn by Jacqueline, Ivory, and Lita, but had also suffered from Debra and Miss Kitty. Even the classic Moolah belt had not had a good history during the previous decade, the company being unable to keep a Women’s Division sustainable. WCW had attempted it after the WWF’s failures, only to have the same problems. Women’s wrestling was still seen as a novelty, like midgets.

    But, Jim Ross was determined to create a Division that was not only sustainable, but a draw unto itself. To that end, he signed a combination of woman wrestlers and fitness models who had the size, strength, and conditioning to be wrestlers, so they just needed trained. Aside from the six women in this match, JR would sign Victoria, Gail Kim, Mickie James, Melina, and Beth Phoenix. Then, Johnny Ace took over the job…

    The other guy who deserves so much credit is Fit Finlay, who was their trainer. It wasn’t just Trish and Victoria who benefited, but the ones with previous wrestling experience before joining the company. Pre-Finlay, Molly Holly was a spot monkey relying on acrobatic flips to cover her lack of technical skill, while Jazz was mainly a brawler. They both became great technical wrestlers, among the best women we’ve ever seen. Of course, since the Women’s Division of the Golden Era was trained by Finlay, they hit HARD. No Barbie dolls in THIS bunch.

    2000: The bloodiest Diva match in history. Two very striking images in this one: Lita as she’s being helped to the back, and Ivory’s white shirt with the blood stains.

    2004: Why I was not impressed by the attempt to recreate this sequence with Kelly as Lita and Beth as Trish. Those of you who think some of us are too critical of the modern Divas Division just need to watch this and compare it with Kelly’s snapping and getting DQed to see what we’re talking about.

    2005: One of the many things that made Trish so great was the Trish Rub, how working a program with her made a Diva a star. That year’s Survivor Series, and the build up to it, took Melina from valet to one of the main women in the Division.

    • norisclouds

      I actually think that feud with Melina was pretty bad and forgettable. Melina vs Mickie was much better and did more to cement Melina as a viable contender.

      • Taylor

        Trish’s mini-feud with Melina definitely made fans take notice to her. Before that feud, I didn’t know of Melina as I never watched SmackDown.

        • norisclouds

          A lot of the male audience on other message boards I frequented knew of Melina. How could you not? She came into the ring doing splits! People knew who she was, they just didn’t know she would grow into a good wrestler.

        • Taylor

          Well, I’m not a male. And you cannot generalize that everyone knew of Melina because clearly I fall into the group of exceptions. She wasn’t a big name when she was on SmackDown.

        • perceval

          “People knew who she was, they just didn’t know she would grow into a good wrestler.”

          Which is what made the program with Trish a big step for her. She was booked strong in that one, which moved her from “that valet who does splits” to “ready to play with the big girls,” and was shortly moved to Raw.

          Moving from SD to Raw was a major promotion in those days for a Diva, since that was where the Women’s Championship was. if you were a Diva moved from Raw to SD, on the other hand… Wasn’t it Maria who called SD for Divas “where careers go to die”?

      • norisclouds

        @Perceval the only reason why I don’t agree is because I rarely talk to anyone who even remembers that feud. Most people associate Melina with her bigger feud against Mickie, and I think that is because there wasn’t enough time allocated for her to work with Trish between the time that Trish retired and was working with Mickie James. I feel like it’s more of a forgotten interlude.

    • LadyGoDiva

      Survivor Series seems like the diva friendly PPV. By the amount of good matches from the recent years.

      • perceval

        Survivor Series has had some great Diva matches, going all the way back to the very first one in 1987 with the Jumping Bomb Angels.

    • _Bryan_

      any excuse to bury chyna, even when shes not even part of this. you have some serious hate issues BROTHA

      • perceval

        Look it up. Stating that the Women’s Championship had to take six months off after Chyna’s reign is a simple FACT. That the Women’s Division entered it’s Golden Age at this point is a simple FACT.

        If that “buries” Chyna, then it’s FACTS burying her, not me.

        You can flame me all you like, but that doesn’t change simple FACTS.

        • _Bryan_

          that is no fact buddy, thats your opinion. they had to vacate the title because they released her – not because of the ‘damage’ that she did. she was booked that way. they did it to themselves. that, is fact.
          there is no particular piont where the golden era started. i could say it started when victoria had her fued with trish and it would have the same amount of legitemacy. also, this started thanks to chyna, and making womens wreslting look like a draw. i dont think women ever had 10 minsutes + matches until her and lita. hiring her also sought the hiring of many muscular wreslting based women like jazz and victoria. that is FACT
          so actually what you are saying isnt FACT its your opinion which you deem to be fact, when in actuality its not.

        • norisclouds

          @_BRYAN_ I agree. I think it’s silly to say the title had to “recover” from Chyna. Really? Is that why people were so pumped to see her and Lita feud? Watch that match again and see how nuts people were for the action in the ring. Arguably two of the most popular women the Attitude Era had seen were about to throw down and they got a standing ovation at the end of the match. I think it’s BS to say the title had to recover. I don’t understand why people say the Golden Era started with that Survivor Series match. In my opinion it started once Stephanie McMahon and Lita set up their feud. It was the first time, according to Lita’s books and interviews, the audience really started to care about who held the Women’s Title. People would stop her in the street to ask her when she was going to beat Stephanie and get it back. Everyone forgets what an incredible job Stephanie did not only as a manager but as a heel women’s champ, she couldn’t fight but she was as slimy as they come. The whole point of that feud was that Stephanie didn’t deserve it because she couldn’t fight and was a horrible wrestler! It was the complete opposite of the Kat carrying the title when she couldn’t wrestle for beans and was playing a good guy while Ivory played the bad guy because she didn’t want to do pudding matches and fight for the title! People have selective memories!

          Everyone wanted to see Lita beat Stephanie’s ass and take the title back, because regardless of what her skill level was at the time, she was clearly more athletic, the fans loved her and they thought of her as the most dominant female in the division at that point (since Chyna was in the men’s division). Then Ivory cheated to get the title off Lita, everyone cared about that–and you had the fun of seeing Chyna squash Ivory and dominate everyone as champ, they wrote her arrogantly so that Lita could come in as the plucky underdog and fight her.

          It’s so obvious, yet somehow that is seen as de-legitimizing the title? The real reason why it had six months off is probably because they were trying to get Chyna back in the interim while her contract was running out or they wanted Trish to be the new face and she needed more training first.

        • _Bryan_

          @ norisclouds – i completely agree with what you said, chyna didnt do “damage” to it, her fued with lita was rivaled until trish and lita fued in 04, that match was really intense and the attitude era crowd ( entire stadiums sold out) was incredible. and the match itslef i thought was great.
          i loved stephanie getting her ass kicked – remeber watching it. it was great, the technical ability was great obviously but thats not what sells tickets – great storylines do.
          yeah exaclty, that hiatus is very odd, if she quit, why would it take 6 months? it seems very odd if she did. it seems more likely that contract negotiations took place, then during that they let her go and there was a huge mess thereafter between them. and trish training seems likely as well. honestly, i was completely surprised when she won, was really expectin lita to win in her hometown

        • norisclouds

          @_BRYAN_ Sometimes I think this place suffers from a heavy syndrome of fan revisionism. Just because *you* or *your friend* or whoever, didn’t think a feud or a match was important, doesn’t mean it was unimportant in the historical context of the women’s division. What matters is the memory of the fans and the enthusiasm of the crowd. Everyone was drawn into that match. The reception Lita and Chyna got was amazing! It would be a long time until two women got that reception at a PPV again after Chyna left. The crowd was into it because they were so invested in two fan favorites that were greatly loved at the time. I don’t see how that hurt the women’s division at all. Imagine the story they were going to build there!

          In the long run it may not have been what Chyna wanted because she wanted to be in the men’s division (and I can’t disagree with her on every count there because the fans respected her and loved her as a competitor against the men–I did myself a favor and went back and watched some of her matches, it’s easy to forget how well loved Chyna was) but that feud could have seen the first time two women main evented a PPV in WWE had it gone on, and I’m completely serious about that.

          They had tremendous star power, and if it got the slow build that WWE was making at the time, you can bet it would have been Lita vs Chyna at Wrestlemania, or Lita vs Chyna at Unforgiven, etc…with a nice spot in the card. Damn I want a Lita vs Chyna table or ladder match…that would be absolutely tricky given the strength and size of Chyna, but Lita was still heavily into lucha then and I’m sure she could have worked with Funaki to figure out some new underdog maneuvers. The match they did have was well on the way there where she worked with that style…

        • _Bryan_

          exactly! i think some people just dont appreciate something they cannot see because they are blinded by hate (hate that is so unnessessary)
          yes completely agree about the men, she was really someting interesting that fans invested in because she reflected many things that were occurring at the time. her going into the division was not a bad move, just they way they did seemed very quick and odd to me.
          anything lita and chyna were involved in was interesting if you think about it, go back to the little fued in 2000, and so many things could have happened in 2001 when they had there 1 v 1 fued. but, it didnt happen :(, we can only wish it did!

        • norisclouds

          @_BRYAN_ was Sable well-liked by female fans? I don’t really remember–she might’ve straddled that line of too pretty and sexual, but I remember Lita and Chyna being the first female wrestlers to be loved by men, women, and children. They were both my heroes when I was a kid, and if any of the boys made fun of Chyna’s looks I would jump in so quickly to defend her. I loved her attitude and strength, and I loved seeing her completely squash other women. In retrospect we may now think “oh that wasn’t good for the division etc…” but the crowd wanted to see that…they were so into it. I remember the huge pop she got for destroying heel Trish *and* babyface Molly Holly.

        • _Bryan_

          im not sure about female fans but i sure liked her…. ;) i think the main type of audience was men and teenagers so thats why she was so over.
          yes i completely agree, i loved seeing chyna destroy the heel divas – especially where she powerbombs trish, find it on youtube, that crowd reaction is inspiring.

      • norisclouds

        @_BRYAN_ On Trish winning at Survivor Series, I remember I was on the forums and google groups back then and while smarks seemed to be OK with her winning at first the mood quickly soured at her first title defense. I think it was that really bad match against Lita where they miscommunicated a few times and Trish had some bad botches. She was still very popular and loved, but I do remember quite a few people on the forums complaining and saying she shouldn’t have the title because she’s terrible and Lita, Ivory or Jacqueline are actual wrestlers etc…people were especially annoyed that Lita didn’t win it back b/c she was very popular and still active as a face on the roster. It goes to show you how opinions can change. People were very negative about Candice when she started and she won people over, same is true for Michelle McCool, and heck–maybe it’ll be true for Kelly someday. It’s easy to look back with rose colored glasses, but there were a lot of people who griped that Trish didn’t deserve that win. Trish was still very popular, but plenty of people moaned about her getting to carry the title with other women there. The opinions of the smarks changed a few years later.

        • _Bryan_

          trishs first 2 runs i thought were really horrible. she really began to come into her own when she had her fued with molly holly. i wasnt in the iwc community back then since i was pretty young, but i could definetely imagine that her reigns would have been dissapionting. she was still very green, and her matches were very sloppy in spots. but, she needed to go through that to become the star she became
          yes, opinions do change quite drastically and that why i dislike people spreading unessessary hate on forums. i bet if chyna came back and started doing some interesting things, or had a fued with hhh and sptehanie that got the crowd invested, then their hate would probably completely change.

        • norisclouds

          People were very hot for Lita to keep winning in 01-02 before her injury. They also complained in 03 when she came back and didn’t win it after that feud with Molly. Lita’s kind of a weird case, she was so over but she lost a lot of her title shots–4 years in-between a reign, 3 if you want to take out the amount of time she was injured–but she also spent so much time working with the guys in the men’s division…so she did a lot more work throughout the midcard and main event–I actually think she spent most of her career hanging with the boys as interference in matches or managing in some way. She had a strange career for a female during the Golden Era. I was looking at the number of recorded televised matches she wrestled, and Trish wrestled around 2x as many as Lita and I remember people absolutely bitching about a 2 minute match Trish had at a PPV to defend her title against Jacqueline in ’02. She got so much hate, along the lines of “well at least she’s good to look at, but that *insert nasty word here* is not a wrestler and should be no where near the title scene!” similar to the stuff people say about Kelly now. There was thread upon thread dedicated to Lita and people complaining about why she didn’t have the title.

          I agree with you, if Chyna were back and working a storyline, say Team Chyna vs Team Triple H people would shut up. Imagine the pop her titantron would get if it came on and interrupted one of his speeches and they had her semi-shoot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=-3&id=100000716103622#/Only.the.best.get.through?ref=profi Team Laycoolness!!!

    For a moment then during that Eddie Tribute match I thought Alicia Fox was about to make an appearance, and got excited… Then I remembered it was originally Maria’s theme LOL!!! =D

    • perceval

      Alicia wasn’t there, yet. All that remains of the Divas from the Trish & Lita era are Beth, Kelly, and Layla.

      So weird that Kelly’s the second longest standing veteran after Beth.

  • McCoolFan32

    My favourite Diva Battle Royal :)
    It let each of them show character and actually do something
    Rather than just being thrown out of the ring within like 20 seconds
    And although I was never a Melina fan, I liked that she won
    It was something different for a change
    Miss those days

    • perceval

      It was about moving Melina into the #1 Contender spot.

      The battle royals were always better, back then, because they were actually planned out instead of the current “Get out of the ring in the first minute” approach. Everyone got showcased a bit in the Golden Era ones.

      Maria was funny, trying to take on Trish and Melina at once.

  • norisclouds

    I think the craziest thing about that match is that Lita went to the top turnbuckle four times, clearly knocked around a bit and bleeding all over her face. She finished the match, and I think today if that happened to the most over diva, like Kelly (and NO Kelly fans I’m not saying Kelly is weak or anything, I’m talking about the current PG policy and awareness of wrestler health) they would’ve stopped the match ASAP. No way would they have allowed someone to bleed all over the place in an unplanned spot and continue to do high-risk moves. I do wish the Lita and Ivory feud had gone on longer.

    • perceval

      The Golden Age Divas hit hard, in those days. Luna said her ears were ringing for two weeks from a Jacqueline clothesline. Candice Michelle though her jaw was broken from a slap from Trish in a backstage segment.

      Blood was spilled hard way, sometimes. Trish even bloodied Vince up hard way in a match, though presumably he’d given her the OK, beforehand.

    • _Bryan_

      you know, apparently lita complained a lot about her injury, and ivory said if she had had it, she would have gone with it. ivory didnt like lita that much surprisingly – and thought she had a bit of an ego, saying she seemed to think she was “already that good”. interesting when she said that about this match i thought…

      • norisclouds

        Lita was clearly knocked very badly by that boot. She said at much in the interview afterwards that she was “knocked loopy” and while she said it “wasn’t as bad as it looked”, I don’t think she was just selling the injury when she was laid out after the match. Ivory seems like a tough and funny girl, but I get the feeling she got annoyed with management coming down on her for accidentally injuring Lita. They were so high on her that year, and that was the first time that happened to a woman in the ring in recent memory. I imagine Vince was very pissed off backstage and she may have unfairly gotten the brunt of their disfavor over the match.

  • StraightEdgeGirl84

    I was so proud of Lita for the 2001 match. I’d never seen a woman bleed and she continued the match proving she’s a tough chick. Kudos to her for that and she deserved to get the standing ovation.

    The 2003 storyline was really great. Even though I hate seeing Hardy anywhere near Lita because of what a real life tool he turned out to be. I loved the two battle of the sexes matches that came because of this storyline. The girls proved in those matches how tough they were because the guys didn’t baby or dumb down to them. I remember some of the bumps Lita took that she sold like a champ. When Christian just flung her so hard into the barrier and she hit my breath caught. I can’t say enough nice things about Lita and Trish.

    The 2004 angle was so much different than Kelly and Beth. Trish tormented Lita for months about her “baby” Beth just called Kelly a barbie for a few weeks. Lita was able to sell anger with her eyes she didn’t need to scream like a banshee off of her meds. The beat down itself was hard hitting and believable two things Kelly wasn’t. The chemistry between Lita and Trish is something that’s lighting in a bottle. I haven’t seen it since on WWE television.

    • norisclouds

      Lita both took some insane bumps throughout her career–it’s no wonder she ended up with nearly debilitating back injuries.

      I was going through my collection of matches from Lita’s first year a little while ago, and she took powerbombs to the floor (I remember her saying that her arm actually went numb after that), went through a table off a ladder, took a bump to the mat off a ladder, knocked into steps, knocked off the stage, thrown through more tables, off the side of a steel cage, chair to the head/back, suicide dive into a barricade (fantastic looking bump she looked like she was flying!), 3-D’d, tortured by Two Man Power Trip, abused by the Undertaker, etc…I remember when Edge speared her and smashed her head against that ladder ><

      As a heel she also took some nasty bumps, barbed wire to the mouth, F-U'd etc…

      They did some crazy stuff.

  • http://jakeyon.blogspot.com Jakey

    Lita has great insight about this match in her book. Obviously, the blood wasn’t intentional. Ivory had recently started Right to Censor and they were still working out the kinks with her outfit, and her boot cut Lita in the eye; after this match, Ivory only wore a heeled boot when she was managing but not when wrestling. Lita’s only regret was that she was wearing black — if she knew she was going to bleed, she would have been sure to wear white! Backstage she had to be put in stitches and Miss Kitty held her hand the entire time, even though she screamed every time a stitch was put in.

    • norisclouds

      I thought Ivory seemed unreasonably testy about the whole thing in her shoot interview. You could tell Lita was in pain from her interview and behavior afterwards. Ivory acted rather cavalier about it, as if Lita was being a baby by not playing it up. Clearly, she wasn’t 100%, and I’ve never gotten the sense from Lita that she would be the type to go running home if she broke her nail, if you get my drift.

      • _Bryan_

        well ivory didnt like her to begin with anyway, so she might have exaggerated haha.
        for some reason, everyone thinks that chyna was a huge b**tch to everyone but ivory didnt really share a lot of love either. not many did there, since everyone had such huge personalities and egos that would constantly clash. could you imagine a diva reality show then, when the girls actually hated eachother – and not just fake hatred. that would have been awesome.
        chyna vs sable
        lita vs ivory
        ivory vs jacqueline
        ivory vs the kat
        the list goes on.

        • norisclouds

          I go back and forth on Chyna. Sometimes she seems like such a sweetheart in her interviews but then I will read something about her and go “Man what a __!” then I listen to her talk and think “Aww poor Chyna”. When it comes down to it I think Lita was probably right in her assessment of the situation, that Chyna had to put up with a lot of people’s you-know-what throughout her career/life and that’s why she kept to herself and was careful about her friends. Similar to what Mick Foley said about Melina, that she’s an introvert that’s misunderstood. I believe it…I think sometimes we just want to believe the worse in people and we forget that they play characters on TV. For example, if you only saw Lita in 06 on TV, you’d have no idea she was actually a very shy and sweet person. The same is true for Trish, Molly and Jazz if you only tuned into certain periods of their career.

          I like Ivory as a character, as a person she seems funny and strong-willed, but in that shoot interview she came off as unnecessarily mean towards Lita, who as far as I know never complained to Ivory about the injury. Lita willfully took some very dangerous bumps in her first year so I have a hard time believing she threw a fit over getting her face cut up and refused to sell it. The referee was clearly very concerned when he helped her to the back, and we know from JR that when he said “the referee should stop this match” he was being completely serious. They’d never seen anything like that before, and we have to keep in mind that Lita was not an experienced wrestler at the time. It would be like one of their rookie divas today taking a bad bump, bleeding all over the place, and ignoring it for the rest of the match. Just watching that again, the way that Lita reacts after the bell and the vacant expression on her face when she’s getting choked on the ropes–it’s obvious that something isn’t right. I’m sure she told the ref she could go on and she still did a great job–surprisingly not missing any of her high-flying moves–but it was scary to see her wobbly and out of it once the bell rang. Didn’t they take Lita off of tv for two weeks afterwards to recover?

        • _Bryan_

          @ noris – i go back and forth to – but in regards to whether shes doign well or not. i dont think shes a huge b**ch, i think some things that people write are taken completely out of context and twisted constantly. i think shes misunderstood too, and i persoanlly believe she didnt involve herself in the womens troubles because she didnt want to put up with it, rather that not liking them so to speak. i mean look at sable and sunny and what it did to them. i think that set an example for her. she was very picky with her friends but made them really close. tori once said that chyna told her “to be an island under your feet”, meaning to make sure you always have your won back – and i think thats what she was trying to do; and i think it came of her being horrible, after all shed seen how much of a backstabbing biusness it is.
          yeah i think ivory can come off a little too far sometimes, but chyna really puts her over on tiwtter surprisingly – go have a look. after all ivory had said about her i found that surprising. i think the lita scenario came off as a little too much and lita was actually injured. however, rikishi said that more women in wwf need to be like ivory, strong willed and fearless; maybe chyna respected that but still didnt want to get involved in ivory’s situations, and ivory took that as her being over her head.

        • norisclouds

          @_BRYAN_ Yea I agree. I’m a big Lita fan (as you can probably tell) and I remember one of the reasons that Lita ended up involved with Edge in the first place (aside from an attraction and close friendship that’d been going on for five years) was because she couldn’t stand traveling with the other women on the roster at the time. Trish was nursing injuries or doing promo work and on the road separately, Jeff was out of the company, Matt was at home injured, and the only people she had to travel with were the model divas. Lita did not get along with them very well and they drove her nuts. She was a tomboy by nature and very laid back. Add to that, the competition among the women probably made for an unpleasant environment.

          I remember Lisa, Adam’s wife, writing a scathing letter about Amy, calling her a bitch that looked down on other women and thought of them as just TNA, but it’s more likely that it was just personalities clashing. Besides, she had her own justified reasons to dislike someone that effectively ended her marriage. (Though on a side note I did have to smh at Lisa admitting to marrying Adam even though she knew there was some kind of intense emotional connection/attraction between Adam and Amy–probably not a good idea to marry a guy if you don’t even want to invite a potential “other woman” to your wedding.)

          I’ve heard bad stories and good stories about Chyna, but she always just seems so sweet and pleasant in her interviews that I can never 100% disregard her. I’m down on her one moment and the next I start to doubt what other people say, because just like Lita I’m sure she’s had her own personal demons and people that’ve treated her with less respect than she deserves. Her promo for her Playboy cover was the only emotional and genuinely liberating promotions for Playboy I can remember in WWF. It clearly meant a lot to her, and the fans loved her sense of humor and her speech when she almost broke down in tears. It’s sad what happened to her story in WWF and I hope she is in the HOF someday, regardless of her personal demons.

        • _Bryan_

          yeah – im guessing you got that form the interview on youtube? i found it really interesting. she still made a mistake of course, but everyone makes mistakes.
          i havent read into edges wife, but that seems like a little overboard lol. and the whoel wedding thing seems a bit bizzare :\
          the only bad stories ive heard of chyna are from xpac (i like him dont get me wrong, he seems really cool) and its evident that they should be on different planets form eachother. but, besides the rock, no one is full liked in wreslting and that because they are only human. not everyone is going to like eachother.
          i personally thought that promo for playboy catipulted it into being the best selling issue of all time. she was really great there, it seemed true and emotional. i do hope she gets into the hall of fame one day, and i cannot wait until that day comes. im just sitting here waiting for her music to hit and her coming out with her bazooka. complete mark out.

        • norisclouds

          @_BRYAN_ On a side note, what I know of the “affair” I’ve gleaned from interviews from Lita, Jeff, Matt and to a lesser extent Adam who barely commented on it. Yea Adam’s wife was a bit–off–I remember she was quick to defend herself as someone who “wasn’t a gold digger” without being asked and jumped all over imagined accusations against her character, saying things like “Adam and I didn’t do anything while he was still with his first wife I swear!” also without being asked–it was just an all-around embarrassing diatribe where she spent the rest of the letter trashing Amy and Adam–Amy for “always being a bitch to her and now she knows why” and Adam for blaming the affair on Matt because of “Matt’s inability to handle women”.

          It was bizarre to read when it came out and then to see those insinuations mirrored in the worked-shoots later. Particularly Amy’s claim that Matt was “obsessed with the Internet” and threatened her when they broke up saying “he would ruin her” and “she was committing career suicide” which is why I don’t believe for a second that Matt “unintentionally” leaked anything. Back then a lot of people didn’t believe Amy’s accusations about Matt isolating her or threatening her career, or her assertion that she was the one who broke up with him, not the other way around. Now with the downfall of Matt’s personal reputation, you see more people ascribing to that POV. Matt was very fanbase-savvy and knew how important Amy’s personal reputation was to the character of Lita. That’s why I think he was so filled with regret in 2010 and felt the need to put out shoot interviews defending her character and revising his story of the “affair”. Even Jeff called him a liar in 2005 after the mess broke and became a story line on-air.

          In any case, it shows you how IWC opinion can change over the years once new information comes to light. It’s easy for people to joke about Matt Hardy now and praise Lita, but I remember people absolutely trashing her and calling her every nasty name in the book, even accusing her of reading from cue-cards during that Byte This! interview and having no emotion, when it was pretty obvious she looked like she was going to burst into tears. We ascribe whatever motives and emotions we want to a situation.

          Really, you’re right not everyone gets along backstage. There’s a lot we aren’t privy to in the locker rooms, and a lot of what we do know is leaked by wrestlers and agents that have agendas.

        • _Bryan_

          that whole situation is just completely weird. the wwe should not have touched that, i remeber seeing times where lita was so tense it made me uncomfertable just watching it.
          i think matt hardy has become very odd since that time, i really dont get him. i never heard that whole threateneing thing, geez thats one messed up situation – no wonder lita couldnt take it anymore and left. (you seem to know ur stuff about lita!)
          yes exactly great piont- that interview was what i was referring to before – it was so tense. and yes, exactly, what is leaked is usually not objectivly stated – and there is usually agendas behind it. its very rare, though insightful, that information that is told is approved by everyone from that time

        • norisclouds

          @_BRYAN_ IMO Matt’s always been this way, he just did a good job of hiding it and wasn’t on the Internet as much back then. From the way he acted on-line as soon as Lita left him, it was obvious that the guy wasn’t completely right in his head. He was 31 years old posting statuses like “Matt Hardy never betrayed a close friend” and giving interviews bragging about sleeping with his ex to get back at Amy shortly after the break up. Then he had the gall to film a re-enactment of his version of events with a cardboard cut out and try to sell it for 75 dollars a pop to fans on his website, have his ex come on and brag about fooling around with him when he and Amy were dating, talked about calling Amy fat when she was recovering her knee, etc… gave interviews telling fans to chant “slut” at Amy and “We Want Matt!” before he was re-hired. He’s always been nuts.

          The information about Matt threatening Lita comes from an earlier worked shoot where a caller asks her why she broke up with Matt. It was obvious watching it that she became very upset and angry, and the story she told about him threatening her, chasing after her car and screaming at her was so far removed from their wrestling characters and the storyline WWE was selling that it was evident that there was much more to the so-called “affair” than Matt shared on his website. Her version of events was also corroborated by Jeff a few months later who talked about how controlling Matt was of Amy and how he would get all over her when they were alone, and when he first saw this happening he was shocked and thought it was out of line. He also said he doubted that Adam and Amy ever got together behind Matt’s back “because Adam wasn’t that type of guy” and Amy “wouldn’t do that”. He also claimed Matt frequently changed his story of events to make him look good, would call Amy in between ranting about her in his on-line videos to tell her he loved her, and at one point he just stopped listening to him. That’s the behavior that prompted Adam to shoot on him for saying he loved Amy one moment and trashing her on-line the next (this was during the very tense period where Adam and Matt were actively fighting over her because she lived with Adam at the time). Jeff also said he wanted to apologize to Amy and Adam over what happened and how he acted to get their side of the story, but was afraid it was too late and claimed Matt’s controlling treatment of Amy was similar to the way Matt treated him in the tag team, and supported her contention that his brother was a “spin-doctor”. Adam didn’t comment on this much, but when he was involved with Amy he also corroborated the same stuff, saying Matt was given the opportunity to talk things out with him but ignored him and decided to go on-line instead. There’s also the later interview by Matt, which I think you referred to, where he claims the affair was only emotional. There were a lot of things that were said in ’05 that did not conform with the storyline WWE was trying to sell of Matt Hardy as the jilted victim, or the story Matt Hardy tries to sell even now, of his break-up with Amy. As Adam said, there are only three people who really know what happened, and the one who’s been telling the story so far is a liar.

    • perceval

      Sherri said that women wrestlers feel the need to hit twice as hard and be twice as tough as the men just to get half their pay.

      That explains a lot about what we saw Lita, Trish, Molly, Victoria, Gail, and Mickie put themselves and each other through during the Golden Age. Beth finished her second match on Raw with her jaw broken most of the way through it.

  • http://jakeyon.blogspot.com Jakey

    I was at the show with the Eddie Battle Royal. It was obviously a very sad night, and the crowd was subdued for a lot of it; at the beginning, it didn’t even seem right to cheer for anything. It’s such an afterthought considering the tragedy that happened, but I always found it interesting that out of everything that was filmed for that night (they did both a Raw and Smackdown since both brands were going for their European tour the next night — the show was taped on a Sunday), the only match that had any continuing basis in storyline was the Trish/Melina feud.

    Also: Maria was HILARIOUS to watch in that match. My brother and I were close to the ring and had so much fun yelling “Do something, Maria!”

    No love for 1999? Chyna had one of her best singles matches against Chris Jericho, and while the eight-woman match was barely three minutes, it’s a nice bit of interaction for eight very different ladies (and the pop for Debra’s entrance is insane!).

    • norisclouds

      Is that the match where Chyna and Y2J invent the pepsi plunge?

      • _Bryan_

        yeah i think thats what he was referring to, 17 minutes long – really great match and i thought thier armageddon was even better.
        look at unforgiven chyna vs jeff and listen to debra’s pop and then the reaction when chyna ‘won’

        • norisclouds

          I loved when Chyna won that match. They built that perfectly, finally someone to shut Jeff up. Knowing that history, I kept expecting Michael Cole to finally get his for trash-talking the divas from Kharma, and I think that would’ve happened if she didn’t have to take pregnancy leave.

        • _Bryan_

          hahaha, hopefully that still might happen, considering eves ‘beatdown’ was completely lackluster.
          on a side note, those were my 2 favourite matches with chyna, along with her vs val venis at armageddon (technically wise)

        • norisclouds

          @_BRYAN_ In retrospect I think Cole’s continuous ragging on the divas (which he’s stopped since) was preparation for Kharma’s debut. D’oh!

  • wangzy

    so November is like Lita’s month…including her retirement…and why did WWE sends out superstars and attack Lita so she will loose…even though she didn’t have much special treatment throughout her career Lita will definitely be a legend

    • norisclouds

      I think WWE despite their shoddy treatment after her retirement match knows how important Lita is…or at least I hope they do. JR did tweet that he considered her a lock for the HOF someday and a WWE legend this week.

      • perceval

        And don’t forget the recent Greatest Superstars of the 21st Century DVD, where the Divas were represented by Lita, Trish, Stacy, and Torrie, two wrestler Divas and two pure eye candy ones.

        Trish & Lita are HOF locks. Probably Victoria & Mickie once they’re done with that other company. Lilian, maybe? She WAS one of the only three Divas to be given the big farewell moment (the others being Trish and Victoria).

        Surprised Michelle McCool didn’t get that farewell.

        • wangzy

          Michelle McCool did get a farewell through a looser leaves WWE match against Layla…and her finale was a Implant Buster by Kharma…but Lita received the worst finale of all

        • norisclouds

          @PERCEVAL I remember there was some speculation at the time that Lita got an especially sour send-off, not just because she was a heel, but because as far as the company knew she was still in great condition to wrestle and didn’t give what seemed to be a definitive answer (as far as they were concerned) about what she was going to do next. Her exit interview was very much about taking things as they come and a bit about forming a band, but she was non-committal. They might have been afraid she’d go over to TNA and wrestle because she was so unhappy with the fans/storyline at WWE. She accepted Indy dates for a brief period before she committed 100% to her band and realized her back couldn’t take much and started rehabbing it. I also remember a lot of fans thinking “Oh who cares–she’ll be back in two years anyway…” but she didn’t come back. Add to that, she was a top heel on the main brand with Edge with potential to manage RKO in the middle of a storyline with DX. I still wonder how the break-down of RKO would’ve happened if she signed on longer. They probably would’ve had Randy sleep with Lita or something. Who knows.

  • joshmm3

    Tara and Awesome Kongs match was epic…makes me miss the days she was on impact ever week. Tara is without a doubt the best female wrestler in history!!! Name anyother diva whos had 3 cage matchs, a first blood match, streetfights and been in the buisness actively for 10 plus years. Trish and Lita were great but Tara is an always will be in a class by herself

    • norisclouds

      I think they are all in classes by themselves, but you are right. Tara is very under appreciated. I was thinking about that the other day watching her cage match against Lita. She was still well-loved, even in her retirement match when she had essentially no story line going on. The crowd was very moved by her, and I cried watching her do the psycho face one last time. She was such an original, irreplaceable honestly.

      • _Bryan_

        i loved the psycho gimmick – not really a fan of face tara tbh, still my favourite knockout (and gail) nonetheless.
        the steel cage was unreal – first woman to win one

        • norisclouds

          I wish they’d gotten more time for that match. They clearly could’ve kept going. Can you imagine a steel cage with Victoria, Chyna AND Lita? I did get the feeling that Lita wanted to do more off the top rope or the top. She signaled for it more than once, but the moonsault she hit was beautiful. I wish she’d done another hurricarana off the side of the cage tbh. They should have given the women more table/cage matches…maybe not ladder because of the difficulty of moving the ladders in and out of the ring for the smaller women, but I think they all could have done more with the cages. The crowd was great too.

        • _Bryan_

          chyna vs lita vs victoria = complete mark out for me, all 3 of my favs.

          could you imagine a litacanrana on chyna from the top, or a chyna powerbomb on victoria (or lita) from the top (completely unrealistic i know)

        • norisclouds

          @_BRYAN_ Yea I’m not sure what bumps they could safely do from the top. Maybe a splash onto two people on top of a table is safest. Damn. I wish Chyna’d gotten the money she wanted and stuck around, but then she wouldn’t want to feud in the women’s division for so long….but maybe she’d make an exception for Victoria and Lita since they seemed to get along? I kick myself everyday over not getting a longer Lita vs Chyna program or a Chyna vs Victoria feud. Can you imagine? I’m sure Chyna would’ve been so proud to work with Victoria.

        • _Bryan_

          @ norisclouds – i wish she did too, but according to her she didnt leave and was fired – but negotiations were probably a part. i think it was odd that if she left it would take that long to get things together (like i said above).
          i would have loved to see chyna vs lita and then chyna vs victoria (could have done a typical master vs student type fued, considering chyna brought her into the company)

  • jonboi

    funny how ivory blamed lita for the cut to her eye when it was her boots that never went right over lita head ivory was to blame there ivory was jealous of lita because she wanted to be locker room leader and lita said no one should be leader so ivory was pissed at that as all the divas agreed with lita

    • norisclouds

      I remember that! I’d forgotten about that part of the interview. It seemed Ivory wanted to run things in the women’s locker room the traditional way, and Lita didn’t see the reason for it. Ha maybe that’s why Chyna ended up warming up to Lita.

  • WweLitafan4ever

    Wow,Lita had a lot of moments at Survivor Series.
    One including her retirement match.A great performance but a very disrespectful crowd,a ho-sale,and the commentators (especially Jerry lawler) were rude.
    I cant believe it’s 5 years since she retired.My my how time flies by quick.