Today in History: Lita vs. Trish at New Year’s Revolution 2005

On this day in history:

January 9th, 2005 | After losing her title to Lita in a high-profile main event match, Trish Stratus was set on getting revenge from the “Walking Kiss of Death” at 2005’s New Year’s Revolution. The match wasn’t as explosive as their December bout, owing to the fact that Lita tore her ACL early in the match when hitting Trish with a Lous Thesz Press from the ring apron. Lita battled on, but in her condition she was no match for Trish. Soon enough, a Chick Kick had her down for the count and Trish won back the Women’s Championship. Post-match, Lita was helped from the ring by several officials, the moment resembling one from another scary injury suffered by the risk-taking Diva.

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  • charovnica

    This match was supposed to be great,but unfortunately due to Lita’s injury it lacked.

  • lucky1now

    This just sucked the match was hyped they had their main event I was expecting a gritty match but lita injured her knee I can imagine what they could have done

  • http://twitter.com/RyanRoman0 Ryan

    Aw man poor Lita :(
    Trish took her head off!! Ouch! Props to all the girls who have had injuries and fought on through
    IE Victoria Trish Lita Candice Ashley Michelle and Mickie u ladies rock!!

    And funny how the following New Years Trish and Lita bump into one another in the hallway except then the roles are reversed. Litas now bad an Trish is good again.. And Trish shows guilt running Ito Lita again a year after the match that tore Litas acl haha
    Lita n Trish 4 ever!!

  • WweLitafan4ever

    Ughh freaking sucks Lita got injured.
    Here she is,a beloved babyface and exactly one year later,huge heel and a had live sex celebration;man what a complete 180

  • DIVASKO

    I wonder was have to be the real ending of the match….

    • Jcott3

      From what people have said, Lita was supposed to retain the title this night and their program would have continued into WrestleMania 21.

      • funkyweapon a-gogo

        I figured Lita was gonna retain all the while. The Injury threw a monkey wrench into everything and we ended up with Christy Vs Trish instead and Trish Kept the title even while injured until Mickie beat her a year later.

        • Jcott3

          In some ways, I don’t blame WWE for not taking the belt off Trish when she went down with her back injury. Lita had a torn ACL and Molly Holly quit a few weeks earlier, leaving Victoria the only other credible female wrestler they had. Even if they had had Trish drop the title to Victoria, there was no one left for her to defend the belt against.

        • redsandman99

          There was Christy and Stacy, who while not really “credible” wrestlers, had done programs where they challenged for the title and they were liked enough by the crowd so it could have worked. Moot point now though.

  • fahkyooh

    The build-up promo and Trish’s entrance alone proves how much better of a Diva she always was than Lita. They say Trish is overrated, but she held, carried and talked into that mic like a pro. She had the greatest women’s matches in WWE history. If anyone is overrated, it’s Lita, the girl who jumps for a thesz press with her legs curled up.

    • puppies

      Trish was top diva, no doubt. But Lita was always, always, more over than Trish. Face or Heel.

    • ajfan83

      @Fahkyooh

      I give you credit for taking a shot at Lita. Because she has the most rabid fans on this site that will no doubt flip out when they read that. Of course, you had to ruin it by slobbering over Trish. All I’ll say is time hasn’t been very kind to her reputation. The overrated bandwagon has grown because of the non-stop hype (both from WWE and Trish herself) and the fan indifference to her returns.

      Puppies has it right. Lita was always more popular regardless of who was the more talented of the two.

      • fahkyooh

        I could care less if Lita was more over or more popular. Newsflash people, without Trish, there would have NEVER been a Golden Era of women’s wrestling. Never, ever.

        Where was Lita when Trish and Jazz were revolutionizing women’s wrestling? When Trish and Victoria took women’s wrestling to heights it had NEVER been before? Where was she? Oh yeah. She was injured. And little miss overrated Lita came back 1-2 years later into a flawless division that Trish, Victoria, Molly, Jazz, Jacqueline and Ivory BUILT. Lita had NOTHING to do with getting the division to the point it had gone to… All she did was return into it, sloppier than ever and thrown into a storyline with babyface Trish who took a backseat to her.

        And even when Trish was tossed out of the title picture and did her thing with Christian and Jericho, LITA was given a chance to rule the division, but her feud with Molly underperformed big time. Even her matches with Victoria were lackluster. The division SUCKED without Trish. So who do they thrown in as a safety net? Trish of course. She wins the title randomly at Bad Blood after months of a suffering division and brings life back to the title. FACTS ARE FACTS. She even bought life back to “Lita” the character by being such a darn good heel.

        Lita is the most overrated woman in history and I am sick of people comparing her to Trish. Even as a heel Lita’s awkward voice on the mic was terrible. Her work with Cena was forgettable. We all know if it were Trish in that position, those moments would have been epic. Lita couldn’t even pull off a proper match with Mickie James for crying out loud.

        • ajfan83

          @Fahkyooh

          The only thing that matters in wrestling is popularity. It’s not subjective. Lita was and is more popular than Trish. So basically everything you just wrote is irrelevant.

        • puppies

          I would do the same thing you did, and make Trish look bad by nitpicking and overexaggerating all flaws, all the while pointing out everything Lita did that was good, but we both know that’s silly.

          You’re honestly so delusional. Wrestling works with two people (at the least), not one. You can’t have a match with one person. You can’t have a feud with one person. If you think Trish herself is what made the golden era, or what made her feuds, you might want to learn more about the wrestling business. If you think Lita didn’t have a huge impact on women’s wrestling, then you’re just dumb.

      • flash1086

        Well, the 2 biggest names worldwide are Chyna and Trish Stratus. The people outside of wrestling who knows Stacy Keibler probably dont even know that she was a wrestler. So yes, the 2 greatest divas in HISTORY are Chyna and Trish. We cant judge it on crowd reaction because in that case The Godfather and Val Venis would be more popular than CM Punk and Cena.

    • charovnica

      The thing is both did so much for each other they both got each other over.Lita is not overrated neither is Trish. We can’t just bash the two girls that made women’s wrestling worth watching.Both had amazing crowd reactions,people care about them.The popularity contest is just as useless as the Austin/Rock popularity contest.All of them are legends.

      • ajfan83

        People CARED about them. It ain’t 2004 anymore.

        • fahkyooh

          @PUPPIES – I’m not delusional. Unfortunately you don’t know anything about wrestling. If you honestly think the WWE would have invested SO much time and energy into their women’s feuds if they didn’t have a hot big boobed blonde like Trish who could take a bump like a rag doll than you must be kidding yourself. Without Trish, I REPEAT, there would NEVER have been a golden era in women’s wrestling. The WWE took chances with their women’s product BECAUSE they had a hot poster child like Trish to lead the way with, and make it work. People seem to forget that wrestling is mostly triggered towards the male audience, which is why Sable and Sunny will be remembered forever and Ivory and Jacqueline are already forgotten. The majority of the audience is male and they don’t care for average looking women with great wrestling talents. They want to see hot women, and Trish was not only hot, but had the ability to transition over to a wrestler. And this is exactly what the WWE has tried to duplicate with Kelly, Candice, Eve, Layla and a handful of others but each of them severely lack in either wrestling ability or character appeal. Trish was special.

        • NY Pollard

          @ FAHKYOOH – Everything you say is irrelevant. You’re seriously delusional as somebody pointed out earlier. You make it seem like Trish wrestled herself the whole 7 years. The fans were most excited when Lita and Trish interacted, that was apparent throughout their whole time together there. And allow me to correct you on one thing, IF IT WASN’T FOR LITA there would be NO TRISH STRATUS. Lita was getting ovations and and name chants long before she formed Team Xtreme. So no, it wasn’t the thong and it wasn’t because of the Hardyz that she got popular. This, before you throw those cheap excuses out there. And if anyone was regarded and special and unique, it was Lita, not Trish Stratus. Trish was getting pops for the same reasons that Sable, Kat, Terri, Tori, and Stacy were – for her tits and ass.

          While the fans chanted we want puppies for Trish even while she had greatly improved, they chanted we want Lita for Amy Dumas. And I’d venture to say that Lita would have made a greater impact for the Divas than Trish did had she not broken her neck. The fans simply cared about Lita more, sloppy or not. That’s why although I like Trish to the moon, I cringe when she goes on talk shows and does her yoga thing and keeps reminding everyone that she is a 7 time champ. I hate to say this, but nobody really cares. The tide has shifted in favor of Lita in WWE for some reason, and I think finally they’ve got it right. Sable, Trish, Sunny, and maybe Torrie made an impression ..but I still think Lita had the greater impact and influence on WWE and women wrestlers to come. Lita was talented, sloppy or not.

        • WweLitafan4ever

          @NY Pollard

          Also,when you hear divas in the WWE or from TNA talk,they always cite Lita as their influence;whether it’s AJ Lee,Eve,and Velvet Sky. A lot of the ladies mention how Lita was the reason why they wanted to be a female wrestler,she is so influential and inspiring.
          Lita also has an amazing fan connection. On RAW a few years ago,during a match they chanted “We want Lita.” This doesn’t happen to other former divas. Heck, there are fans who still bring Lita signs to RAW.Lita is special,unique, and didn’t need to be overpushed to the moon so the fans would give a shit about her.
          They gave a crap about her the minute she made her debut.

        • NY Pollard

          Good points WWELITAFAN4EVER – And I hate that I’ve been forced to pick between the two because I actually am a huge fan of both of the women, but there’s no denying that Lita had the bigger, more lasting impact for WWE and its fans. Trish will always be highly regarded amongst management and her peers of the era, but she sang her swan song too soon IMO. Had she stayed a little longer while Lita had gone, she could have possibly grown bigger and gotten past the Lita/Trish debate somewhat…but she will always be the Diva, second to Lita. And hey, that’s not a bad place to be. ;)

        • Crazy_J

          ” IF IT WASN’T FOR LITA there would be NO TRISH STRATUS. ”

          Thank you NY because I was totally gonna say that lol

    • EVEROCKS

      @NY

      OMG, read my mind….Without Lita there would be no Trish Stratus. Bottom line.

      • EVEROCKS

        Not to mention there would be no Mickie, Velvet, or Eve, or Rosita and the list goes on…just like Lita said in that heel promo of hers, she inspired a generation of women.

        • WweLitafan4ever

          True. Maria said how she grew up wanting to be Lita,and even Beth cited Lita as an influence. Ms. Amy Dumas sure did inspire a generation of women.She is like the most influential diva in WWE history.
          That heel promo/retirement speech by her was awesome. She was right in everything she said and you can really feel her emotions at that time.
          Lita preached in that speech,lol.

        • Popo Amascual

          hello.. i don’t mean to lengthen the debate or argumentation.. but i just want to say that Trish was in major and memorable feuds/ minor programs with other Divas like Steph, Molly, Jazz, Jacqueline, Stacy, Christy, Victoria, Miss Jackie, Gail Kim, Mickie, Melina just to mention some.. so i think she would’ve totally survived without Lita.. Lita didn’t MAKE Trish.. Trish never MADE Lita.. Lita made a name for herself, Trish did the same for herself.. Trish’s rivalries with some of the ladies i mentioned were remembered because she was in them.. The reason, too, that crowds go crazy when they’re together is because of how great each one is.. Lita the babyface is greatly cheered when against Trish the evil bitch and vice versa.. so it’s not really true that Lita made Trish because Trish was hated even before Lita arrived.. Lita was teamed with the Hardy Boys to even the odds because T&A had Trish, plus let’s face it, Lita was insanely popular.. :)

        • Popo Amascual

          *were remembered because she was in them with those ladies

        • Popo Amascual

          *so it’s not really true that Lita made Trish because Trish was hated even before Lita was paired with her (not arrived) :)

        • flash1086

          Just like Trish inspired Candice, Nattie, AJ, Velvet, Brooke Tessmacher, Kaitlyn, Kelly Kelly, etc. and the list goes on. Even the women from the Independent have nothing but respect for what she brought to the table. Hell, the woman who hates EVERYONE (Sunny) actually respect what Trish did. Trish is THE diva of the divas. And Trishs name is more world-wide than Litas.

        • ajfan83

          @Flash1086

          The only reason Trish is more well known than Lita is because of her modeling career. Her looks have gotten her where she is. Doesn’t really mean anything in wrestling. I mean, Stacy Keibler is probably more famous than Trish. Does that make her the greatest diva?

        • EVEROCKS

          @FLASH1086

          Sorry, but you can’t list AJ as being inspired by Trish Stratus. AJ has said thousands of times how Lita is her hero and idol. The indy women have nothing but respect for Lita also, if not more. You see, the thing is is that if Lita would have never got injured allowing HER push to go to Trish, you would be defending Lita and saying she is THE diva. As much as i hate to say it…Trish is forgotten, (she shouldn’t be but she is). Just like im sure few people remeber Lita.

      • fahkyooh

        @ NY- You fail because Lita was nothing without The Hardy’s. She was with Esia Rios jobbing and than her career took off, being with the Hardy’s and stealing their image. That is a FACT.

        If there was no Lita there would be no Trish Stratus? LMFAO. What an idiot you are. Lita did NOTHING for Trish Stratus. Trish came in to the WWE as a complete OPPOSITE character. As a sex symbol, a model-esque type. If anything, Sable and others bought types like Trish in, NOT Lita.

        If Trish only got pops for her tits and ass than her physical matches wouldn’t have had way better reactions than anything sexual she’s ever done. She’s pulled off a billion better and more memorable matches than Lita ever did. People always want to credit Trish’s opponents, but Lita had matches with the same Divas and they weren’t NEARLY as good as Trish’s matches. Facts are facts.

        If anyone is second, it’s Lita and you’re delusional for thinking otherwise. Trish is and will always be #1, the golden girl, and rightfully so. Lita was either managed, injured, getting fat or botching 60-65% of her career. Her mic work as a heel and as a face were terrible. She lost her speed and spunk after her neck injury. Her transition as a wrestler into a heel was a disaster. Her matches with Jazz, Molly, Victoria and Mickie were all forgettable. Just stop. You fail and you look DELUSIONAL.

        • NY Pollard

          Okay now you’re just embarrassing yourself. All that you just posted is garbage LMAO, so I’m not going to respond to this. You made this too easy. Go watch a Trish match or something lol.

  • shameronstar

    Now everyone loves the Glamsuits, but the Stratusuits were legendary. Simply yet stylish!

    • shameronstar

      *I meant simple yet stylish:P

      • Popo Amascual

        i loved the one in the main event.. :) but this one was nice, too.. :)

  • shameronstar

    I just saw Trish’s “Kiss of Death Promo”, and Trish Stratus had fabulous mic skills which were wonderfully complemented by personality and wit!

  • WhalenX12

    Trish was such an awesome heel. Ughh how much I miss her mic skills. She was the bitch I loved to hate.

  • WweLitafan4ever

    I like the pop for Lita.
    Also,today in history is the Live sex celebration.

    I wish she never got injured. This injury happened for a personal reason.

  • WweLitafan4ever

    There is an article from WWE.com comparing Edge/Lita to Dolph and AJ and in the article,AJ said she stole a locket of Lita’s hair and still kept it to this day.

    • http://twitter.com/RyanRoman0 Ryan

      Lol AJ is so crazy it’s genius! :P

      Mickie James copped a feel on Trish and NEVER washed that hand haha.. Yikes XD

      • http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/WWE_Divas/ art

        Thats creepy…

        • NY Pollard

          So is this why she’s had great success with her psycho character? No, I don’t imply that the stolen lock of hair is the reason. I’m saying AJ’s pyscho character isn’t really a stretch after all going by this article. She really is nuts! Lol =P

        • WweLitafan4ever

          She also said in the interview that:“I’m glad that when I met her, I stole a locket of her hair,” AJ said with a shockingly serious expression. “And I kept it to this day, because I love her.”
          She also said this:
          “Any woman who has tried to get into this business has to give [Lita] a lot of credit,” AJ said. “If they don’t they’re lying.
          And this..“Well first, I would lock up with Lita and steal more of her hair. Next, I’d get a good, deep breath of her scent. And then I would proceed to take her down.

          Wth,she wants to smell Lita?lol

        • NY Pollard

          Oh wow…err speaking of the Mickie/Lita storyline, I guess they have plenty of material to work with here. I think Lita also suggested something like that for an up and coming diva when she did an interview with InYourHouse Radio. They’re both willing! Do it WWE!

  • aldo

    I guees this match was supposed to be as good or even better as the main event match. But poor Lita, she was going to retain right?

    • NY Pollard

      Lita hinted at a Ladder match between the two at Wrestlemania 21, unfortunately it never happened. I think Lita was supposed to retain and move on to a program with Mickie James. The obsessed fan storyline was originally pitched for Lita by Mickie herself, but she was injured and involved with Kane/Edge so they gave it to Trish. Then ofcourse, the fans turned on Trish lol.

      • Crazy_J

        It makes me wonder if they would’ve turned on Lita? I love Lita, always will.. just makes me wonder lol

        • NY Pollard

          Maybe lol. It would have been interesting to see. Too bad it never happened, but atleast we got Trish/Mickie which was very awesome and memorable.

        • WweLitafan4ever

          I dont think they would’ve turned on Lita.
          She was a babyface for nearly 5 years,the majority of her career.The fans didn’t boo her b/c they thought she needed a character change and they weren’t tired of her babyface character,she got turned on due to a personal issue. I personally think Lita could have been a face for her entire career,she was always loved and is still loved.

      • aldo

        TOO BAD it never happened! But I can’t imagine Mickie being obssesed with Lita. In the feud with Trish, Mickie used the Stratusfaction as her finisher…was she going to use a moonsault then?

        And about the fans turning on Trish, haha, it was obvious, Trish held the title for over a year and I guess fans got bored. You can hear the crowd behind Mickie and even Victoria in some matches and battle royals. Trish was awesome but I think the fans just LOVE Lita.

        • Popo Amascual

          I have a recorded interview with the writer of Trish’s program with Mickie.. it had the back story of the famous feud these ladies had.. :)

        • Popo Amascual

          and it was somewhat different from what was posted here.. :)

  • trishfan11

    I loved Trish so much as a heel and she was probably one of the hottest heels in wrestling at that time, male or female. I remember waiting for this match to start and hoping Trish would win back her title and wondering if she actually could since Lita had beat her in the main event of Raw in a hotly contested match. However, once Lita got injured and Trish pinned her, I was so happy. Of course, I didn’t want Lita to get injured but Trish coming out on top was what I always wanted. Trish then went on to have feud with Christy Hemme, of all people, and it was more than decent. I wish Trish hadn’t gone back to being a face when she returned – Trish should always be a heel.

  • Crazy_J

    It’s funny this match is on here today considering I just watched it about an hour ago lol

  • http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/WWE_Divas/ art

    I enjoyed trish as a heel,she made me laugh even i love lita heel or face i think shes better as a face….so this is kinda perfect….

    • Popo Amascual

      ^THIS.. i love heel Trish.. something about her aura makes you want to enter the screen and punch her..lol..

  • StratusXtreme

    Trish hands down was the reason why we had a Golden Era.. I think both ladies are amazing and I’m slightly biased as I’m a huge Trish fan. Lita is not the whole package when it comes to the ultimate Diva.. Trish had it all, Lita lacked mic skills, acting in general was below average and her in ring skills were sometimes sloppy. Yes, Trish hadn’t been wrestling as long as Lita but when you see how far she came from her model stereotype.
    I get annoyed inside when people compare Trish and Lita because I always see it as they were both amazing Divas who bought something special tithe division.. But then reading comments on this site, where people seem to be so stuck up their own asses when it comes to defending Lita, it’s like ‘shut up and really think about it!’ .. If Trish was not in the division, the division would of died a longggggg time ago!! Fakhyoo is right on many points they made. And to say there would be no Triah Stratus if it weren’t for Lita is a load of bull! Trish would still have made it even if Lita werent around. Trish had the drive, the determination, the whole package, she had it all! Haters will be haters and the Trish vs Lita will always win with Trish being number 1.

    • NY Pollard

      You’re whole post is so hypocritical I don’t even know where to start? Trish is number 1 with WWE management and Lita number 1 with the fans, I can live with that.=)

      • NY Pollard

        Your** We need an edit button.

      • WweLitafan4ever

        Looks like that is changing about Trish being number 1 with management.
        And Lita was always and will always be number 1 with the fans. She just connected better with them and was always more popular. She just has that special something about her.

        • puppies

          You keep using “if” to back up your statements, but the truth is, you don’t know what would’ve happened “if” something was different. Trish would have made it without Lita, huh? Well, she DIDN’T, so how do you just know that she could?

          Trish fans are so brainwashed by WWE, they’re actually convinced no one is better than her in any way, shape, or form. If you were any more of a hypocrite in your post… Well, it’d be pretty hard for you to be.

        • StratusXtreme

          Yeah you guys just keep saying what you wanna say, its my opinion at the end of the day and my opinion means just as much as yours does.

  • Gail-Trish-Maryse

    I love both Trish & Lita, but Lita fans make it REALLY hard sometimes. They try to give Lita credit for all of Trish’s accomplishments.

    Lita was AMAZING before her neck injury. And her comeback will always be one of my favorite moments in WWE history. But if we are being honest, she was only 50% at best, after her injury. And most of her best moments prior to her injury were with male wrestlers. Her moveset really required someone much bigger to carry her. And she just didn’t mesh well with women in the ring. So if she didn’t spend much of her early career in the tag team division, she wouldn’t have been nearly as over with the crowd.

    To be perfectly honest, the Trish/Lita feud was only that good bc of Trish’s promo work. Trish was a brilliant heel. I don’t find their ring work together to be all that great honestly.

    By far the best feud the womens division has ever seen is Trish/Victoria, and Lita had nothing to do with that.

    • StratusXtreme

      Agreed :)

    • NY Pollard

      @GAIL-TRISH-MARYSE – I can respect your opinions, but I disagree completely with all that you’ve said. I just don’t buy that. Were we watching the same shows? Because let me tell you, those cute little figurine shows they put on youtube are brilliant, but they’re not real sweetie. Lita vs Trish has been the greatest women’s feud rivalry WWE has ever had;thus far atleast. So yes, Lita has alot to do with it. And I wasn’t going to say this, but the fact that some of you are crazily overhyping Trish’s mic work has forced me to say this. Trish Stratus was just average on the mic. This goes back to how she tries to be funny and more often than not comes of as tacky and forced. When she feuded with Mickie who played her character perfectly, this “vanilla” quality that Trish had was exposed and the fans revolted on her. I don’t credit that alone as to the reason they turned on her, we know it was many things, but there’s no denying that Trish’s mic skills are overrated. I’ll agree that Lita wasn’t great on the mic, but she wasn’t as horrible as you guys paint her to be.

      Women like Jazz, Victoria, Jacqeline, and even Molly were all very lackluster on the mic. Trish Stratus was average, so ofcourse she’s going to look better than them. Not to mention she got the most character development and given more attention than they were. Did you ever see Trish do the Canada Walk Of Fame hosting? I was so happy for her and was eager to see the show. When I finally did, I was cringing all the way through. Her tacky cartoon comedy was exposed and she looked ridiculous more often than not. Her singing was also atrocious in the opening sequence.

      There were many women who were much better on the mic than Trish Stratus and actually showed personality, not being as bland as her.. Ivory, Mickie James, Melina, Stephanie McMahon, Nidia and more recently Eve, AJ, and Layla. They all are much better than Trish on the mic in my humble opinion. Trish always had lesser talented people on the mic to work with, mostly looking better herself as a result. That changed when Mickie and Melina came around and exposed how dull her mic skills actually were. You saw how the fans slaughtered Trish at Wrestlemania and how weak she looked against Melina on the mic months later.

      And by the way, the only ones making it hard here are the crazed Trish fans because no Lita fan jumped to attack Trish in this thread. You can thank FAHKYOOH for that. Don’t get it twisted. I don’t even like to pick between the two, but the strong delusion by some of you has forced me to speak, because ultimately sweetie – it takes two to tango. Both women were incredibly well rounded and although Lita was weaker on the mic and Trish had less charisma, both were exceptionally good overall.

  • StratusXtreme

    You know what? I’m in no way a hater of any of the Divas, I respect every Diva that set foot in the ring in different was, but since day one there has always been the Lita vs Trish and who’s better blah blah.. I made a few points about Lita being sloppy, and that her acting/mic work was below average, big deal guys, i think a lot of people would agree on those statements. It’s like if anyone makes a comment about Lita in a negative way, everyone jumps down your throat for having an opinion on her. Get over it! We should just be happy that we have amazing history to look back on. But I will still stand by my word and believe that Trish would of made it as far as she did even without Lita. That’s just my opinion. Yes, Lita is more over with the fans.. And what? Still doesn’t take away what Trish did for the division as as a whole, and still made us care about it week after week, PPV after PPV. I wasn’t trying to offend anyone, and some of you guys on here really need to take a chill pill.

  • Monkey Tennis

    Lita was an Icon. But she was an icon more because of the timing of her debut, and the state of the women’s division in the (then) WWF, rather than because of her wrestling ability. At that time, the focus of the division was still on the likes of Sable and Chyna so a wrestler who could do a moonsault was bound to be a ‘novelty’ (At least, to anyone who hadn’t seen an Japanese women wrestling at that time!)

    Sure, Lita was a great wrestler (prior to her injury), but even at her best, compared to the women of today (outside of the WWE/TNA), she can only really be considered average. And I don’t say that as an insult. Right now, the level of talent in the indies is so very high, even a wrestler described as average is still a very good performer.

    I won’t deny that, before her injury, Lita was a better technical wrestler than Trish.. But Trish earned her plaudits through hard work and all-round talent. Lita’s iconic status primarily came from being a decent wrestler with a couple of (at that time) unique moves.

    • http://twitter.com/RyanRoman0 Ryan

      Also u gotta consider that it wasn’t just moveswise. Lita was ultra tough!!! That’s what also got her over. She was so ballsy doing her “unique moves” with ease and actually she could pull those moves off with a Lita touch not seen by anyone else. Plus her high risk jumps and crashes sacrifices she took for WWF plus her unique look. Anyone can say that any chick can dress like Lita but fact is Lita had an unmatched sexiness and that’s also what got her over
      U can brag about indies and whatnot but really I myself can say am a fan of Trish and Lita and that NO ONE can replicate the matches Or top the matches and moments Lita Trish and the gang and also the TNA Knokouts have put!!!

  • redsandman99

    Why in the world do we have to have this Trish/Lita argument EVERY time something about these two come up? Good grief. Both contributed greatly to the division, both had their strengths and their weaknesses, both had their share of fans. Who’s better is a matter of opinion.

    • perceval

      Some (not all, or even most, let me stress) of the hardcore Lita fans around here are a bit excessive, not wanting ANY woman to be acknowledged that isn’t Lita. It’s not just Trish they resent. Remember, last year, when Jacqueline and Jazz won the Diva Dirt Legacy award, or the year before, when Manami Toyota won it. It was the same thing, so Trish is in some very good company, there.

      The reality is Trish did have a bigger impact on the Golden Era than Lita did, simply because Lita was out with long term injuries, twice, a year and a half each. If the Golden Era was really all Lita, as they like to think, then the Division would have died in popularity in 2002-03 when Lita was out with her neck injury. Instead, Trish, Jazz, Molly, and a new Diva called up named Victoria raised the Division to new heights.

      It’s to Lita’s credit that, despite what was actually not a lot of ring time (the injuries having cut three years worth of matches from her seven years in the company), she still comes in third after Moolah and Trish on the Best of All Time lists. She’s placed above the likes of Madusa, Aja Kong, Jacqueline Moore, Bull Nakano, Sherri Martel, Manami Toyota, Jazz, Molly Holly, Victoria/Tara, Gail Kim, and Mickie James.

      That’s nothing to complain about.

      • NY Pollard

        Its the Trish fans that get excessive. They always have to throw barbs about her being better than Lita (which is subjective and in my opinion not true at all) when one of these threads come about. I love how you blindly avoid to acknowledge those rabid Trish fans and place the blame solely on people who prefer Lita over her. You’re obviously biased as well, so this isn’t settling anything Perceval.

        • ajfan83

          I rarely agree with Perceval, since he’s obviously biased and thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, but he is right about Lita fans. You, Pollard, in particular just proved his point. God forbid somebody point out a flaw in Lita without you writing a response. You always expose yourself especially when the Trish and Lita fans go at it. I’ve seen you praise Trish out the ass, but as soon as Lita’s name comes up you start making fun of her and point out all her flaws. Do you have split personalities or something? Or are you just another insecure Lita fan?

          It’s better to realize both of them have their flaws and get overrated by their fans. Lita is starting to become the female embassador for WWE and Trish is growing her name in Canada. You would think both sides would just grow up and move on at this point.

        • NY Pollard

          First of all, there’s no need to insult me OK? Second, I am doing the same thing the rabid Trish fans do because I’m annoyed that they do it. You’re right about one thing though. I can accept they have flaws and they were both good in their own ways, now try telling that to the rabids – which I am not. Thanks anyway AJFAN.

        • ajfan83

          You come off as a rabid Lita fan (to me) because of how bipolar you are with Trish. On her own, she’s great. Compared to Lita, she’s s**t. You just seem to get very worked up when those two are mentioned in the same breath. That’s not to say some of Trish’s fans aren’t insecure, because they are. Just for different reasons. I do think you’re right about Lita having more of a legacy, though. She’s to the divas what Austin was to the men. Trish has more in common with people like Stacy, Lesnar, Ventura. They all had good runs in wrestling but are happier being known for other things. I’m almost positive that’s why WWE is highlighting Lita more and more.

  • charovnica

    Stop bitching,you little bitches! Every time there is a topic that include their names you turn it into a World War.Absolutely pointless.You’ll never prove anything,because there is nothing to prove.

  • ajfan83

    There’s a few reasons WWE has started shifting over to Lita more. A big reason is because she is dating Punk. He’s one of the top guys in the company and is very outspoken. Another reason is she is a steady backstage presence. I’m sure she’s earning a lot of brownie points by interacting with the talent backstage. Not to mention she’s been more willing to make appearances the past couple of years. The last reason, and this is more opinion than fact, but maybe WWE is just tired of pandering to Trish. She might be a nice woman outside the business but every time she talks about “Trish Stratus” the wrestler she sounds egotistical. I mean WWE spent the better part of 5 years sucking up to her after she left. They did numerous interviews talking about her outside projects, always asking “when are you coming back?” She’d give some coy answer, teasing feuds with people like Beth and Natalya, and the only purpose it served was promoting whatever she wanted to at the moment. I mean WWE still brings her up for dream match scenarios, but the only thing she’s interested in is her business. Shrewd, but highly annoying. I sort of get the feeling she thinks she should have a deal with them similiar to Rock, where she pops in a few times a year and they promote all her stuff in return. You know, without getting the reactions, money, our outside interest he brings. Maybe the company is just tired of all the games and would rather use someone that is actually more willing to play ball. It would be very easy to have Lita replace Trish in the pecking order. Their careers were the same length and she had just as many memorable moments, if not more. And saying she was more popular than Trish would be an easy sell, because it’s true. It might be good for both of them. Lita can serve a nice role for the company and Trish can just stick to modeling and yoga.

    • fahkyooh

      The way you read people is so wrong. You don’t get Trish’s humor or personality AT all. And Trish has done numerous appearances with the WWE since her retirement, so obviously they’d want Lita to do some things too.

      • ajfan83

        And any time Trish has done appearances for WWE it has always been in her own self interest. She gives them nothing in return. Not even a nostalgia pop, these days. As far as her personality, all I hear is her talking about how great she is. She pretty much wants nothing to do with wrestling most of the time, but as soon as a diva gets a push, she starts issuing challenges in hopes of another payday. I guess I missed the joke. Unless Trish herself is the joke?

        And you missed the point about Lita. Up until a couple of years ago the WWE virtually ignored her. Suddenly she’s dating Punk and making more appearances and the WWE is promoting her a lot more. Even more than Trish. Like I said, maybe they realized they don’t have to pander to only one diva anymore when they have an alternative out there who doesn’t make as many demands.

  • TrishStratusFan

    Ok what’s with the Lita and Trish whose better contest again? Could it be that they’re both great! Truth of the matter is this, they both had things that made them great and they also had their flaws (who doesn’t). Stop comparing because at the end of the day there like apples and oranges because they where both two very different kind of wrestlers. As for the match. It was short but sweet. It was nice seeing Trish kinda get the upper hand. Now Lita fans don’t get mad because as we all know most of 2004 Trish was Lita’s punching bag. So nice match (whatever there was of it) these two ladies really now how to entertain.

    • NY Pollard

      I can settle for this. Because you’re atleast not exaggerating and are willing to admit that they were both great in their own way. I agree with this. Until the next Lita vs Trish debate – Case closed. :-)

      • ajfan83

        You’re a joke, Pollard. You’re okay with people expressing their opinion as long as Lita isn’t slandered in any way. But every other diva is fair game. Please stop trying to pretend you’re not incredibly biased. Just slobber over Lita and mind your own f’ing business when it comes to the rest of us.

        • NY Pollard

          AJFan – I never thought id say this, but I agree with Fahkyoo, you read people totally wrong. I’m not gonna even give you more than this because you’re not worth the effort.

        • ajfan83

          Your track record speaks for itself. The “not worth the effort” line is something people fall back on when they can’t defend themselves. Fahkyoo is at least more honest than you. He says what he thinks and doesn’t back down. You say what you think, bash people that disagree with you, and then when people come back at you you hide behind stuff like “they are all rabid fans” or “can’t we be civil?” Sorry, can’t have it both ways. You give it, you got to take it, too.

        • NY Pollard

          You’re just baiting me. I don’t understand you? You take a stand to a certain side of the debate and then you turn around and attack the ones who might see eye to eye with you. Picking and choosing just enough to make yourself seem unbiased yet, ultimately proceed to slaughter your own hen house. It is no wonder people think you’re nothing more than a troll. I have stated before numerous times, I am a huge fan of both ladies. I simply cannot stand when people start insulting and downplaying one’s achievements, especially to make the other seem far greater. That is dastardly in my view and just asking for a fight. It is uncalled for. You have a major problem with learning to accept when you’re wrong. This is my final response concerning this topic. Until next time…